Tommy Shelton Vindicated!, I hope. Options

[SoulEspresso]

If you had read what is posted on save3abn.com, you would know the answers to these questions.

Exactly, but they're not looking for answers. They're stirring the pot.

Note to what they're doing this time: to divert discussion about evidence or any real way to discount these multiple claims of sex abuse, they start asking meaningless questions about who contacted whom when. These questions have no substance. It's a diversionary tactic.

That's what these are--tactics. Perhaps those of us who have not opted to ignore posts by Aletheia, wwjd, Bystander, and so on, can make a habit of describing exactly what they're doing when they divert threads.

Let's not waste any more time on this piffle.

[PrincessDrRe]

.....Let's not waste any more time on this piffle.

"Piffle"....

Dead on SE....dead on.

[PeacefulBe]

I happened across this MSNBC article today while catching up on the news...

Thought it had some relevance here....

Snoopy

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Southern Baptists Face Sex Abuse Allegations


WSMV-TV
10:30 a.m. CST February 23, 2007
NASHVILLE, Tenn. - The same sort of scandal that has plagued the Catholic Church may be hitting home for Southern Baptists. Video: Southern Baptists Investigated On Sexual Abuse Allegations

Concerns over sexual abuse and cover-ups are at the center of an investigation by victims? rights groups.

A letter authored by the group known as SNAP, the Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests and other Clergy, was sent to the leadership of the Southern Baptist Convention.

The letter urges Southern Baptist leaders to take action against sex abusers they said are lurking in the church.

SNAP says it was drawn to take action after following abuse cases within the Baptist faith.

"We know this is a problem not only in religion but in families. It's a problem because it's treated more as a shame than a crime," said Mike Coode of SNAP.

The Southern Baptist Convention is headquartered in Nashville.

Its leaders deplore all abuse and misconduct, but unlike the Catholic Church, it doesn't have the hierarchy to put specific rules in place.

"They've suggested a no tolerance policy be invoked. Really we believe that's stating the obvious. That would be like adopting a no-tolerance policy for embezzlement or pornography. That would be like lip service. We're not into window dressing," said August Boto of the Southern Baptist Convention.

Officials with the Southern Baptist Convention said their church isn't pristine and are demanding that local churches screen their employees and volunteers. They note its local pastors are the ones who need to be held accountable.

Members of SNAP had several meetings with the Southern Baptist Convention this week.

The Convention said it empathizes with the group but disagrees with their approach.

Interesting...
SNAP has a nice website. They also have reps right in Illinois.

http://www.snapnetwork.org/snap_regional_o...l_mid_us.htm#il

[Noahswife]

Here is an interesting story (and I believe relevant to the topic of this thread) that is making the sunday papers and news wires today.

I have provided a link to the story and a pdf version.

What I find interesting and worth noting is the article states that Virginia does not have a statute of limitations on felonies. Second, the victim of rape discussed in this article discovered that her rapist who wrote her a letter apologizing was doing it for himself and not her, in her opinion. And third, she received horrible emails and letters, many from christians, asking her why if he apologized could she not forgive and forget rather than pursue justice.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/271623...-rape25.article

nw

Attached File(s)

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[Rosyroi]

Here is an interesting story (and I believe relevant to the topic of this thread) that is making the sunday papers and news wires today.

I have provided a link to the story and a pdf version.

What I find interesting and worth noting is the article states that Virginia does not have a statute of limitations on felonies. Second, the victim of rape discussed in this article discovered that her rapist who wrote her a letter apologizing was doing it for himself and not her, in her opinion. And third, she received horrible emails and letters, many from christians, asking her why if he apologized could she not forgive and forget rather than pursue justice.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/271623...-rape25.article

nw

March on to those who refuse to remain 'victims' of sexual predators! (any age, any sex)

This post has been edited by Rosyroi: Feb 25 2007, 12:42 PM

[PeacefulBe]

Here is an interesting story (and I believe relevant to the topic of this thread) that is making the sunday papers and news wires today.

I have provided a link to the story and a pdf version.

What I find interesting and worth noting is the article states that Virginia does not have a statute of limitations on felonies. Second, the victim of rape discussed in this article discovered that her rapist who wrote her a letter apologizing was doing it for himself and not her, in her opinion. And third, she received horrible emails and letters, many from christians, asking her why if he apologized could she not forgive and forget rather than pursue justice.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/271623...-rape25.article

nw

NW, Thank you for bringing this to our attention. I heard about it last year but couldn't remember the names in order to Google it.
PB

[Noahswife]

Aletheia has tried to make a big deal out of the age of TSs victims. Crater at Maritime posted a website tonight that lead me to the following article that is worth reading about professional exploitation and the impact it has on the victims regardless of age........

http://www.advocateweb.org/hope/whatissexualexploitation.asp

nw

[Aletheia]

Aletheia has tried to make a big deal out of the age of TSs victims. Crater at Maritime posted a website tonight that lead me to the following article that is worth reading about professional exploitation and the impact it has on the victims regardless of age........

http://www.advocateweb.org/hope/whatissexualexploitation.asp

nw

Correction, and I'm getting really tired of this, for it seems people are intent on lying about this as I have said this repeatedly. I have mentioned a couple of times to the people claiming child molestation that Duane was 20 at the time. This doesn't mean it wasn't sin, nor does it mean a crime wasn't committed or that he shouldn't press charges if there was, it just means that crime couldn't be child molestation.

I have said nothing about the other alleged victims for I don't know anything about them, and nor do you, there are no statements from them.

[PeacefulBe]

Aletheia has tried to make a big deal out of the age of TSs victims. Crater at Maritime posted a website tonight that lead me to the following article that is worth reading about professional exploitation and the impact it has on the victims regardless of age........

http://www.advocateweb.org/hope/whatissexualexploitation.asp

nw

NW,

What an amazing and important article. I hope that every alleged victim of Tommy Shelton reads it!

I am enclosing a link to a ministry that deals with pastoral sexual abuse. If you click on the link to their brochure, you will find that they are located in Thompsonville, IL! Some of you may even have seen Samantha and Steve Nelson interviewed by DS during the summer and repeated in the fall as well. I was very touched by Samantha's testimony about her own sexual abuse by an SDA pastor.

The web site has many excellent articles similar to the link you posted.

http://www.thehopeofsurvivors.com/about_us.asp

[awesumtenor]

Correction, and I'm getting really tired of this, for it seems people are intent on lying about this as I have said this repeatedly. I have mentioned a couple of times to the people claiming child molestation that Duane was 20 at the time. This doesn't mean it wasn't sin, nor does it mean a crime wasn't committed or that he shouldn't press charges if there was, it just means that crime couldn't be child molestation.

And in doing so, you questioned Duane's sexual preference and insinuated that any sexual contact with Tommy was consensual... and you have been told repeatedly by people whose vocation involves dealing with sexual abuse victims that regardless of the his age, Tommy's being his pastor makes his advances sexual assault.

Sexual assault is sexual assault is sexual assault. It is a felony everywhere and for teachers, doctors, lawyers, clergy, police etc if they are acting in a vocational capacity, the age of the person they are making the overture to is irrelevant; it is still sexual assault...

In His service,
Mr. J

[PeacefulBe]

Correction, and I'm getting really tired of this, for it seems people are intent on lying about this as I have said this repeatedly. I have mentioned a couple of times to the people claiming child molestation that Duane was 20 at the time. This doesn't mean it wasn't sin, nor does it mean a crime wasn't committed or that he shouldn't press charges if there was, it just means that crime couldn't be child molestation.

I have said nothing about the other alleged victims for I don't know anything about them, and nor do you, there are no statements from them.

Aletheia,
It is true that abusing a 20-year-old is not really "child molestation". Unfortunately, you have pointed out that the age of consent in IL is 17, inferring that what happened between TS and his alleged victims who were over that age at the time may have been consensual.

Read the article in the link that noahswife posted and go to the link I posted and read the information they have there. It is abundantly clear that a person of power abuses that power when exploiting members of their congregation or patients, whether the victims are 8 or 101!

[Rosyroi]

Aletheia,
It is true that abusing a 20-year-old is not really "child molestation". Unfortunately, you have pointed out that the age of consent in IL is 17, inferring that what happened between TS and his alleged victims who were over that age at the time may have been consensual.

Read the article in the link that noahswife posted and go to the link I posted and read the information they have there. It is abundantly clear that a person of power abuses that power when exploiting members of their congregation or patients, whether the victims are 8 or 101!

Oh well... she'll never get it. So sad.

[lookin4truth]

NW,

What an amazing and important article. I hope that every alleged victim of Tommy Shelton reads it!

I am enclosing a link to a ministry that deals with pastoral sexual abuse. If you click on the link to their brochure, you will find that they are located in Thompsonville, IL! Some of you may even have seen Samantha and Steve Nelson interviewed by DS during the summer and repeated in the fall as well. I was very touched by Samantha's testimony about her own sexual abuse by an SDA pastor.

The web site has many excellent articles similar to the link you posted.

http://www.thehopeofsurvivors.com/about_us.asp

I went to the site listed. I was shocked to see the Board of Directors list.

"Our 2007 Board of Directors consists of the following individuals (you may click on their names for more information):

Steve Nelson—President, Chairman, CEO, Elder

Samantha Nelson—Vice-President, Secretary, Treasurer, COO

Tom Lemon—Director, Pastor, Oregon Conference Ministerial Director

Bob Withrow, CPA—Director, CFO

Doug Kilcher—Director, Texas Conference V.P. Administration

Ralph Robertson—Director, Northern California Conference Ministerial Director

Neil Biloff—Director, Dakota Conference President

Shelley J. Quinn—Director, 3ABN On-Air Hostess and Co-Director of Word Warrior Ministries

J.D. Quinn—Director, Pastoral Care Department at 3ABN and Co-Director of Word Warrior Ministries

Irma Murray—V.P. Latino Division

C.A. Murray—Director, 3ABN Producer

Rena Majors, R.N.—Director, Founder of A Door of Hope Ministries

Steven Grabiner—Director, V.P. of Outpost Centers International"

They all are on the Board of an organization to help people who are victims of Pastoral abuse, but had no problem with who works/worked at 3ABN.

NOTE: There was no intention to question the character of board members not associated with 3ABN


This post has been edited by lookin4truth: Feb 27 2007, 12:00 AM

[erik]

Correction, and I'm getting really tired of this, for it seems people are intent on lying about this as I have said this repeatedly. I have mentioned a couple of times to the people claiming child molestation that Duane was 20 at the time. This doesn't mean it wasn't sin, nor does it mean a crime wasn't committed or that he shouldn't press charges if there was, it just means that crime couldn't be child molestation.

I have said nothing about the other alleged victims for I don't know anything about them, and nor do you, there are no statements from them.

Aletheia,

What about brad dunnings letter in witch i belie he said he was 14 when tommy asked him for sex and by the way he reported and then his family felt so sure that that he said had in fact happenned they moved him away to protect him.

I am come on defending tommy is like defending the wind you never know which to face.

Why are so sure that tommy is not guilty of behavior way beyond what a minister of the gospel should ever consider.

Erik

I went to the site listed. I was shocked to see the Board of Directors list.

"Our 2007 Board of Directors consists of the following individuals (you may click on their names for more information):

Steve Nelson—President, Chairman, CEO, Elder

Samantha Nelson—Vice-President, Secretary, Treasurer, COO

Tom Lemon—Director, Pastor, Oregon Conference Ministerial Director

Bob Withrow, CPA—Director, CFO

Doug Kilcher—Director, Texas Conference V.P. Administration

Ralph Robertson—Director, Northern California Conference Ministerial Director

Neil Biloff—Director, Dakota Conference President

Shelley J. Quinn—Director, 3ABN On-Air Hostess and Co-Director of Word Warrior Ministries

J.D. Quinn—Director, Pastoral Care Department at 3ABN and Co-Director of Word Warrior Ministries

Irma Murray—V.P. Latino Division

C.A. Murray—Director, 3ABN Producer

Rena Majors, R.N.—Director, Founder of A Door of Hope Ministries

Steven Grabiner—Director, V.P. of Outpost Centers International"

They all are on the Board of an organization to help people who are victims of Pastoral abuse, but had no problem with who works/worked at 3ABN.

Are now trying to take victims of other pastors and and use them for cover for 3 abn i find that a new low for the defend 3 abn crowd.

Why do not you all try the truth it might work much better even if your guy is guilty has the day is long.

at least it is the truth a you would be defending instead of all this other grasping at straws.


ERik

This post has been edited by erik: Feb 26 2007, 10:25 PM

[SoulEspresso]

I went to the site listed. I was shocked to see the Board of Directors list.

"Our 2007 Board of Directors consists of the following individuals (you may click on their names for more information):

Steve Nelson—President, Chairman, CEO, Elder

Samantha Nelson—Vice-President, Secretary, Treasurer, COO

Tom Lemon—Director, Pastor, Oregon Conference Ministerial Director

Bob Withrow, CPA—Director, CFO

Doug Kilcher—Director, Texas Conference V.P. Administration

Ralph Robertson—Director, Northern California Conference Ministerial Director

Neil Biloff—Director, Dakota Conference President

Shelley J. Quinn—Director, 3ABN On-Air Hostess and Co-Director of Word Warrior Ministries

J.D. Quinn—Director, Pastoral Care Department at 3ABN and Co-Director of Word Warrior Ministries

Irma Murray—V.P. Latino Division

C.A. Murray—Director, 3ABN Producer

Rena Majors, R.N.—Director, Founder of A Door of Hope Ministries

Steven Grabiner—Director, V.P. of Outpost Centers International"

They all are on the Board of an organization to help people who are victims of Pastoral abuse, but had no problem with who works/worked at 3ABN.

I don't want to be hard on ya, but this is a little unfair. Just because some of the people work at 3ABN is no reason to list the entire board of another organization--I happen to know at least two of them and I have the highest respect for their integrity. And just because the organization is housed in Thomsenvilled doesn't mean everyone their approves of 3ABN.

Just because they're in the same town doesn't mean they knew what was going on. Hasn't it been pretty clear that Danny lied to his own board chairman about his brother's alleged behavior?