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[princessdi]

First of all, Eyewitness, we are going to use our inside voices when we post, even in cyber space, there is yelling, it is not allow here, though.

Ok, on this this evidence they have proving Linda's adultery. Tell me this, was it presented in court when she contested the quickie divorce? And since Team Danny has had the floor all to themselves for almost three years now, why have they not presented this evidence to anyone? I mean truly it will not change my mind, in that I still maintain that Danny and 3ABN had an obligation to handle the situation no matter Linda's guilt or innocenc in a Christ-like manner, as they claim to be leaders and Christian living. They did not. They should have been the leaders in mending, healing and forgiveness, they were not. Once again, if Linda was so wrong, so guilty, why not let her speak for 2 1/2 years, why the gag order attached to the thread of taking any livliehood(sp)?

The only reason I lean toward Linda's direction is that Danny's first words to this board were lies(and were soon proven to be), Linda's weren't. now what are we supposed to think?

Linda committed adultery in the worse way. And there is plenty of evidence!!! That is why Linda and her Team did not show for the ASI meeting!!!!!! She was about to be exposed to a group with the greatest integrity.

[husbandoftheyear]

Linda committed adultery in the worse way. And there is plenty of evidence!!! That is why Linda and her Team did not show for the ASI meeting!!!!!! She was about to be exposed to a group with the greatest integrity.

Was this to be the same exposure she received the first time. Come on! We keep hearing about the evidence, but I haven't seen it yet...?

[Observer]

Linda committed adultery in the worse way. And there is plenty of evidence!!! That is why Linda and her Team did not show for the ASI meeting!!!!!! She was about to be exposed to a group with the greatest integrity.

I am not certain as to what you meant by the ASI meeting. But, I can speak for the recent attempt of ASI to facilitate a resolution.

One of the major problems was the amount of public disclosure that would take place in relationship to the efforts of ASI. A core value for Linda was that there be full public disclosure. She felt that her reputation had been so trashed that she had nothing to lose. Whatever the findings of ASI, she could only benefit by a disclosure that was complete and available to all to form their own opinion. That was Linda's position, and at the beginning, of course before any findings by ASI.

On one level that position was not subject to compromise.

However, while the base position was not subject to compromise, the specifics and details could have been discussed and some compromise on those in order to reach an agreement on the main issue--full public disclosure, in a manner that the facts would be available to all.

Folks, when you have two parties, with major differences, you have to talk to each other to attempt to find some common ground. I do not believe that any real effort was expended in an attempt to discuss this with us and find a potential common ground for agreement. We were simply presented with an ASI position that concerned us in regard to full public disclosure.

I say again: You have to talk to your enemy. Some of that took place. But, those talks never went to the nitty-gritty of in-depth discussions of our issues of disagreement, in many cases. ASI pulled out before this happened.

Here is an illustration of how the discussion could have gone:

ASI: O. K. What do you mean by full disclosure, and what do you mean by public disclosure.

ASI: O.K. Here is what we think should be done. I see we agree on . . . .. We have some concerns about . . . . I wonder, would . . . . be acceptable to you instead of . . . .?

ASI: How would it be if we changed . . . to . . .? Would that be acceptable?

NOTE: I am not concentrating on ASI. The same responses would be true for the so-called Linda's Team.

This post has been edited by Observer: Jan 25 2007, 08:33 PM

[Johann]

I wonder Johann what do you worship when there is healing? The gift giver or the gift receiver?

Who is worhipping whom? Are you talking in the realm of the fictitious Spiritual Adultery? Please get out into real life!!!

Linda committed adultery in the worse way. And there is plenty of evidence!!! That is why Linda and her Team did not show for the ASI meeting!!!!!! She was about to be exposed to a group with the greatest integrity.

You must believe in the title of Danny's book, The Commandments Twice Removed! Linda did not break the one about adultery, but you are braking the one against a lying witness!

[eye witness]

First of all, Eyewitness, we are going to use our inside voices when we post, even in cyber space, there is yelling, it is not allow here, though.

Ok, on this this evidence they have proving Linda's adultery. Tell me this, was it presented in court when she contested the quickie divorce? And since Team Danny has had the floor all to themselves for almost three years now, why have they not presented this evidence to anyone? I mean truly it will not change my mind, in that I still maintain that Danny and 3ABN had an obligation to handle the situation no matter Linda's guilt or innocenc in a Christ-like manner, as they claim to be leaders and Christian living. They did not. They should have been the leaders in mending, healing and forgiveness, they were not. Once again, if Linda was so wrong, so guilty, why not let her speak for 2 1/2 years, why the gag order attached to the thread of taking any livliehood(sp)?

The only reason I lean toward Linda's direction is that Danny's first words to this board were lies(and were soon proven to be), Linda's weren't. now what are we supposed to think?

I am sure that if it could be done over again, which it can't, it would be handled differently. My opinion, more in a Christ like way would be better. She just had no reguard for ANYONE's advise in the matter. SHe really thought that what she had going on with the doctor, that her husband was suppose to accept it. Talking to the men on this forum - would any of you allow in your marriage an additional burden barer for your wife? Who thought so much of him that she referred to him as her burden barer (on air) in the ministry of the Lord. I saw the program myself and so did millions of others. Men what if your wife locked herself in the bathroom, bedroom, and the car and talked to the same man 4 or 5 hours everyday. Would your manhood allow you to accept that, let alone your christian walk? I mean come on folks, she stayed at his house, without her husband and then say that it was a professional relationship! Women - when have you ever stayed at your doctors house for several days??????

[Rosyroi]

I am sure that if it could be done over again, which it can't, it would be handled differently. My opinion, more in a Christ like way would be better. She just had no reguard for ANYONE's advise in the matter. SHe really thought that what she had going on with the doctor, that her husband was suppose to accept it. Talking to the men on this forum - would any of you allow in your marriage an additional burden barer for your wife? Who thought so much of him that she referred to him as her burden barer (on air) in the ministry of the Lord. I saw the program myself and so did millions of others. Men what if your wife locked herself in the bathroom, bedroom, and the car and talked to the same man 4 or 5 hours everyday. Would your manhood allow you to accept that, let alone your christian walk? I mean come on folks, she stayed at his house, without her husband and then say that it was a professional relationship! Women - when have you ever stayed at your doctors house for several days??????

princessdi I don't see the answer you asked yet. I am waiting also....

[Johann]

Are talking about Nathan's drug addiction or did he have some other disease? I am not necessarily asking you to divulge what the disease is if it is something else. I am just curious because I am very interested in natural health and my ears perk up whenever someone starts talking about curing incurable diseases.
Eyewitness,

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Since eye witness permits herself to divulge into medical problems - she might have a doctorate, but I have never known that to be in medicine - she is really off limits. Only because I was there did I find out that Nathan had other serious medical problems that none of the zillions of other medical doctors had discovered, as far as I know. My understanding is that it was when Nathan received treatments for something else that his condition improved so greatly that I did not recognize him again after ten days of treatment. When I first saw him there I was sure it was a different young man.

It seems like his foster father has all this time maintained that Nathan's only problems were with drugs, and so his evidence against Linda is somehow based on that.

It seems like eye witness even swallows the sinker and believes that all Danny says is the truth. This is what causes this great confusion.

[Richard Sherwin]

And you were a eye witness to all this? Or did you hear it from Danny's camp?

Richard

I am sure that if it could be done over again, which it can't, it would be handled differently. My opinion, more in a Christ like way would be better. She just had no reguard for ANYONE's advise in the matter. SHe really thought that what she had going on with the doctor, that her husband was suppose to accept it. Talking to the men on this forum - would any of you allow in your marriage an additional burden barer for your wife? Who thought so much of him that she referred to him as her burden barer (on air) in the ministry of the Lord. I saw the program myself and so did millions of others. Men what if your wife locked herself in the bathroom, bedroom, and the car and talked to the same man 4 or 5 hours everyday. Would your manhood allow you to accept that, let alone your christian walk? I mean come on folks, she stayed at his house, without her husband and then say that it was a professional relationship! Women - when have you ever stayed at your doctors house for several days??????

[princessdi]

Ok, Rosy? and she really needs to save al that about the Dr. and Linda, we have heard it all before and we didn't buy it then. Now if she has some picstures, etc. some evidence beside her word. then we can talk, otherwise.......Next!!!!

Excuse, just one more thing that probably won't be answered. Was all this activity with the Dr. before or after she was told she might be replaced byt the beauty queen? Please!

princessdi I don't see the answer you asked yet. I am waiting also....

[Johann]

I am sure that if it could be done over again, which it can't, it would be handled differently. My opinion, more in a Christ like way would be better. She just had no reguard for ANYONE's advise in the matter. SHe really thought that what she had going on with the doctor, that her husband was suppose to accept it. Talking to the men on this forum - would any of you allow in your marriage an additional burden barer for your wife? Who thought so much of him that she referred to him as her burden barer (on air) in the ministry of the Lord. I saw the program myself and so did millions of others. Men what if your wife locked herself in the bathroom, bedroom, and the car and talked to the same man 4 or 5 hours everyday. Would your manhood allow you to accept that, let alone your christian walk? I mean come on folks, she stayed at his house, without her husband and then say that it was a professional relationship! Women - when have you ever stayed at your doctors house for several days??????

Linda did not only talk to the doctor during this period. My wife and I also talked to Linda on the phone, so we knew what was going on. I knew that a certain Dr. Kay Kuzma was assigned to speak to Linda by 3ABN. Linda talked to KK once, and when I encouraged her to keep on talking to her, because at that time I still considered her an honest person, Linda said she could not. Why? Because KK was so biased against her by telling her all the thwarted stories that you are relating here above, that she could not stand talking to her any more.

It may seem strange to some, but every time Linda and the doctor had talked on the phone I was given a report of their conversation. They wanted to be open and honest about it. I can tell you that the team that was supposed to help solve the problem between Danny and Linda created so much confusion. A couple of times I also spoke to Danny, and besides that he wrote me up to 3 e-mail a day. At the same time I saw e-mail he sent to others where he seemed to be a loving saint who wanted to save his marriage.

Linda was so frustrated because of all the lies that were told about her by her own husband, and repeated by everybody else aroudn her, that she was forced to talk to someone on the outside.

Danny even admitted to me in one of his e-mails that he spoke with two faces. In his close dealings with Linda and in what he told me, he was not in the least interested in saving his marriage. All he wanted was a proof, genuine or not, that Linda had committed adultery so that he could marry someone else.

You swallowed his sinker too, his other face. God is our witness, so nothing can keep me from telling the truth any more.

[Richard Sherwin]

And even if what Danny and his supporters say was all 100% true that is still not a basis for a Biblical divorce. The red herrings are swimming in a school for sure. (Watchbird yes I know they really don't)

Richard

Linda did not only talk to the doctor during this period. My wife and I also talked to Linda on the phone, so we knew what was going on. I knew that a certain Dr. Kay Kuzma was assigned to speak to Linda by 3ABN. Linda talked to KK once, and when I encouraged her to keep on talking to her, because at that time I still considered her an honest person, Linda said she could not. Why? Because KK was so biased against her by telling her all the thwarted stories that you are relating here above, that she could not stand talking to her any more.

It may seem strange to some, but every time Linda and the doctor had talked on the phone I was given a report of their conversation. They wanted to be open and honest about it. I can tell you that the team that was supposed to help solve the problem between Danny and Linda created so much confusion. A couple of times I also spoke to Danny, and besides that he wrote me up to 3 e-mail a day. At the same time I saw e-mail he sent to others where he seemed to be a loving saint who wanted to save his marriage.

Linda was so frustrated because of all the lies that were told about her by her own husband, and repeated by everybody else aroudn her, that she was forced to talk to someone on the outside.

Danny even admitted to me in one of his e-mails that he spoke with two faces. In his close dealings with Linda and in what he told me, he was not in the least interested in saving his marriage. All he wanted was a proof, genuine or not, that Linda had committed adultery so that he could marry someone else.

You swallowed his sinker too, his other face. God is our witness, so nothing can keep me from telling the truth any more.

[husbandoftheyear]

Danny even admitted to me in one of his e-mails that he spoke with two faces. In his close dealings with Linda and in what he told me, he was not in the least interested in saving his marriage. All he wanted was a proof, genuine or not, that Linda had committed adultery so that he could marry someone else.

I would almost give you a kiss to see that email!

(I did say almost...but it would be a great addition!)

[sonshineonme]

I would almost give you a kiss to see that email!

(I did say almost...but it would be a great addition!)

hoty hoty hoty!!!

[eye witness]

Linda did not only talk to the doctor during this period. My wife and I also talked to Linda on the phone, so we knew what was going on. I knew that a certain Dr. Kay Kuzma was assigned to speak to Linda by 3ABN. Linda talked to KK once, and when I encouraged her to keep on talking to her, because at that time I still considered her an honest person, Linda said she could not. Why? Because KK was so biased against her by telling her all the thwarted stories that you are relating here above, that she could not stand talking to her any more.

It may seem strange to some, but every time Linda and the doctor had talked on the phone I was given a report of their conversation. They wanted to be open and honest about it. I can tell you that the team that was supposed to help solve the problem between Danny and Linda created so much confusion. A couple of times I also spoke to Danny, and besides that he wrote me up to 3 e-mail a day. At the same time I saw e-mail he sent to others where he seemed to be a loving saint who wanted to save his marriage.

Linda was so frustrated because of all the lies that were told about her by her own husband, and repeated by everybody else aroudn her, that she was forced to talk to someone on the outside.

Danny even admitted to me in one of his e-mails that he spoke with two faces. In his close dealings with Linda and in what he told me, he was not in the least interested in saving his marriage. All he wanted was a proof, genuine or not, that Linda had committed adultery so that he could marry someone else.

You swallowed his sinker too, his other face. God is our witness, so nothing can keep me from telling the truth any more.

Johann, i want to say I believe that you believe what you are saying. I believe you are an honest man, I really do. I also believe that you have been duped... Doc Abrahamson is a phychologist. He is trainned to manipulate the brain, and your thinking. That is what I believe he did to you and to Linda. Investigations were made on the Doc as well... and the results were... Linda wasn't the first.
When you say you were posted on their conversations.. were you given the 5 hour version or the 5 minute report? You say Linda visited you and your wife when she was in Norway. I want to ask if she slept over at your house or at the Doctor's? The doctor's ..Right? Did she cook for you and your sick wife? She did for the doctor! Was Danny along when Linda was there, or just her girl friend. Was Nathan there EVERY TIME Linda visited the doctor? Please tell us.

You said she was forced to talk to someone "outside". That may be true, however it is never smart to tell your deepest thoughts to someone of the opposite sex... if they aren't your spouse. There are women phychologist as well. If you find another "burden Barer" it needs to be of the same sex.
Besides, the doctor was suppose to be FOR NATHAN, not Linda.
Linda and Danny were counseled by professional marriage counselors, by pastors, by friends, by everyone that could talk to her. They all said the same. You must stop your relationship with this doctor for the sake of your marriage and your part in the ministry. She refused. The doctor was advised to break it off with Linda. It was unethical for him as a professional doctor and an elder in the SDA church to have this ongoing relationship with her because it was jepordizing her marriage and ministry. He would not quit! I should say "they would not quit"

[PeacefulBe]

I am sure that if it could be done over again, which it can't, it would be handled differently. My opinion, more in a Christ like way would be better. She just had no reguard for ANYONE's advise in the matter. SHe really thought that what she had going on with the doctor, that her husband was suppose to accept it. Talking to the men on this forum - would any of you allow in your marriage an additional burden barer for your wife? Who thought so much of him that she referred to him as her burden barer (on air) in the ministry of the Lord. I saw the program myself and so did millions of others. Men what if your wife locked herself in the bathroom, bedroom, and the car and talked to the same man 4 or 5 hours everyday. Would your manhood allow you to accept that, let alone your christian walk? I mean come on folks, she stayed at his house, without her husband and then say that it was a professional relationship! Women - when have you ever stayed at your doctors house for several days??????

Eye witness, when was that program on? I heard someone mention it some time ago but never heard when or where.