Proofs, Or Lack Thereof, A concern of causing false assumptions Options

[Grace]

No one who has been critical of 3ABN administration has suggested such a thing.

However, some defending 3ABN have falsely suggested that those criticizing current admnistration are implicating Wintley Phipps and Mark Finley as well!

"Some" defending Danny have all the same technique: falsely suggesting that we have said things agains honest people that we haven't said nor implied.

"Tiresome they are"...

[Seraphim7]

Tiresome, very much so.

[Johann]

"Some" defending Danny have all the same technique: falsely suggesting that we have said things agains honest people that we haven't said nor implied.

"Tiresome they are"...

And they do not seem to see it themselves. A very important point, Grace.

[Treniece]

So much information. It is mind boggling.

[howdy]

I believe you are quite right N W in your assessment. The church is too inbred to ever find an impartial jury. There has been nepotism for decades. The management of 3ABN will not produce their evidence against Linda claiming as their reason to "protect Linda" while all the time trashing her worldwide. The only thing they are trying to protect is themselves. There is obviously no proof of their charges against Linda.

howdy

[Rosyroi]

I believe you are quite right N W in your assessment. The church is too inbred to ever find an impartial jury. There has been nepotism for decades. The management of 3ABN will not produce their evidence against Linda claiming as their reason to "protect Linda" while all the time trashing her worldwide. The only thing they are trying to protect is themselves. There is obviously no proof of their charges against Linda.

howdy

AMEN howdy
Rosyroi

[Seraphim7]

I believe you are quite right N W in your assessment. The church is too inbred to ever find an impartial jury. There has been nepotism for decades. The management of 3ABN will not produce their evidence against Linda claiming as their reason to "protect Linda" while all the time trashing her worldwide. The only thing they are trying to protect is themselves. There is obviously no proof of their charges against Linda.

howdy

The above can be seen on every level of leadership w/in the church. Sad but true.

[mozart]

i agree sera and i think that what i have always understood as ".....a falling away first...." does not pertain to those who i thought it did. i thought the "falling away" would be those leaving the faith, but now i think that the "falling away" IS the organizational church leaving the Faith. it seems so clear to me now that those that will stand to the end are those few who stay faithful to the truth; small groups scorned by the SDA (name copyrighted) church as we know it.
i'm sure some out there will see fit to yell at me and "set me straight" for saying that but so be it.

The above can be seen on every level of leadership w/in the church. Sad but true.

[PeacefulBe]

The above can be seen on every level of leadership w/in the church. Sad but true.

Perhaps it can be seen in every level of leadership within the church but not every leader, IMO. I am certain that there are many in leadership who are pure and true followers of the Lord.

[Skyhook]

Perhaps it can be seen in every level of leadership within the church but not every leader, IMO. I am certain that there are many in leadership who are pure and true followers of the Lord.

Amen to that PB!
I recall that EGW stated very plainly that "the church would appear as about to fall, but it would not fall. Instead, the sinners in Zion would be shaken out." (paraphrased)

[Seraphim7]

i agree sera and i think that what i have always understood as ".....a falling away first...." does not pertain to those who i thought it did. i thought the "falling away" would be those leaving the faith, but now i think that the "falling away" IS the organizational church leaving the Faith. it seems so clear to me now that those that will stand to the end are those few who stay faithful to the truth; small groups scorned by the SDA (name copyrighted) church as we know it.
i'm sure some out there will see fit to yell at me and "set me straight" for saying that but so be it.

Your train of thought, would be better suited as a new topic. You have shared what you "think" but, the question is, what does scripture state regarding the subject of who will "fall away"?

My statement, that there are problems in every level of leadership is an acknowledgment of a simple reality. Where one sees long term nepotism one often (not always) find areas of corruption w/in the organization. That is the area where I agree with howdy.

[mikemike]

Your train of thought, would be better suited as a new topic. You have shared what you "think" but, the question is, what does scripture state regarding the subject of who will "fall away"?

My statement, that there are problems in every level of leadership is an acknowledgment of a simple reality. Where one sees long term nepotism one often (not always) find areas of corruption w/in the organization. That is the area where I agree with howdy.

Your comment seem out of place, you stated your own opinion but when the other person did you said they should start a new topic. How so, please explain.

[Pickle]

"The church may appear as about to fall, but it does not fall."

I once told a leader at the Reformed Movement's headquarters about that quote. He said it was new to him.

Later he was telling me that we have to come out of Babylon into the true fold, and it dawned on me that he was saying we need to come out of the SDA church into his group, the true fold. The following hit me, and I told him: "According to that quote, any group that doesn't appear as about to fall cannot be the true fold."

He didn't know what to say.

There is a passage that speaks about those in Ellen White's day who were calling the Adventist Church Babylon. It also predicts that people would do that very same thing at the end of time. I was talking with a lady who was saying that the Adventist Church is Babylon, and I asked her if she thought the passage in question was being fulfilled now, or if she thought it was simply a conditional prophecy.

[mozart]

yes, but does that mean the "church - body of true believers" or the "church - organization"?
i wasn't suggesting the SDA church is Babylon. not sure if you thought i was saying that or not. just wanted to make that clear.

sera,
as far as my comment being "off topic", i think it's completely relative to what you were saying, just in a wider scope maybe, but you are certainly entitled to your opinion. selah

"The church may appear as about to fall, but it does not fall."

I once told a leader at the Reformed Movement's headquarters about that quote. He said it was new to him.

Later he was telling me that we have to come out of Babylon into the true fold, and it dawned on me that he was saying we need to come out of the SDA church into his group, the true fold. The following hit me, and I told him: "According to that quote, any group that doesn't appear as about to fall cannot be the true fold."

He didn't know what to say.

There is a passage that speaks about those in Ellen White's day who were calling the Adventist Church Babylon. It also predicts that people would do that very same thing at the end of time. I was talking with a lady who was saying that the Adventist Church is Babylon, and I asked her if she thought the passage in question was being fulfilled now, or if she thought it was simply a conditional prophecy.

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[PeacefulBe]

Okay, the link didn't work so here is the EGW statement in question:

"Maranatha, Chap. 195 - The Church Appears About to Fall
But Zion said, The Lord hath forsaken me, and my Lord hath forgotten me. Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee. Isa. 49:14, 15.


Satan will work his miracles to deceive; he will set up his power as supreme. The church may appear as about to fall, but it does not fall. It remains, while the sinners in Zion will be sifted out--the chaff separated from the precious wheat. This is a terrible ordeal, but nevertheless it must take place. None but those who have been overcoming by the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony will be found with the loyal and true, without spot or stain of sin, without guile in their mouths.... The remnant that purify their souls by obeying the truth gather strength from the trying process, exhibiting the beauty of holiness amid the surrounding apostasy. {Mar 203.1}

I know that the Lord loves His church. It is not to be disorganized or broken up into independent atoms. There is not the least consistency in this; there is not the least evidence that such a thing will be. Those who shall heed this false message and try to leaven others will be deceived and prepared to receive advanced delusions, and they will come to nought. {Mar 203.2}

I am encouraged and blessed as I realize that the God of Israel is still guiding His people, and that He will continue to be with them, even to the end. {Mar 203.3}

We cannot now step off the foundation that God has established. We cannot now enter into any new organization; for this would mean apostasy from the truth. {Mar 203.4}

The church, soon to enter upon her most severe conflict, will be the object most dear to God upon earth. The confederacy of evil will be stirred with power from beneath, and Satan will cast all the reproach possible upon the chosen ones whom he cannot deceive and delude with his satanic inventions and falsehoods. But exalted "to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and remission of sins," will Christ, our representative and head, close His heart, or withdraw His hand, or falsify His promise? No; never, never. {Mar 203.5}"



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