How Many Alleged Victims Of Tommy Shelton? 25+?, Rough Draft of List of Alleged Victims/Timeline Options

[nice&smooth]

nice&smooth,

If you want to contribute meaningfully to the discussion, please try to be informed before you post.

Tommy Shelton is not a Seventh-day Adventist. Where this taints the church is only where Adventists condone and protect his alleged behavior. And thus far that seems to only be coming from Sheltons, board members, and their relatives.

Hey pickle! Thanks for getting my hide told!!!! "you're as right as rain"
So much for the Evenly Wood speed reading course!!

This post has been edited by nice&smooth: Apr 5 2007, 01:29 PM

[Pickle]

Hey pickle! Thanks for getting my hide told!!!! "you're as right as rain"
So much for the Evenly Wood speed reading course!!

Pardon my ignorance, but I guess I'm not used to those figures of speech. Hopefully I won't look silly by saying, "Thank you. Anytime."

Blessings.

[nice&smooth]

Pardon my ignorance, but I guess I'm not used to those figures of speech. Hopefully I won't look silly by saying, "Thank you. Anytime."

Blessings.

Theres no need for you to be pardon thats already been done!
As for your ignorance there is none. Next time i will be more articulate in expressing my thoughts, and type in terms you feel comfortable with You almost sound like you were slow on saying thank you? Pickle i'm just a down to earth brother that has come back home after running the streets; selling drugs as well as having gang affilation! I came to Jesus as i was!! So if i don't sound like the other-
saints here, well now you know! You're talking to a fellow that knows about the forgiveness of sin in a real way Neither am i educated as most here, But i posses a Phd. in common sense as well as street sense! And a genuine love for the oppressed and down trodden thats real.

"You can't teach what you don't know" "And you can't lead where you won't go" ?

Don't want you to get it twisted!

[mozart]

Theres no need for you to be pardon thats already been done!
As for your ignorance there is none. Next time i will be more articulate in expressing my thoughts, and type in terms you feel comfortable with You almost sound like you were slow on saying thank you? Pickle i'm just a down to earth brother that has come back home after running the streets; selling drugs as well as having gang affilation! I came to Jesus as i was!! So if i don't sound like the other-
saints here, well now you know! You're talking to a fellow that knows about the forgiveness of sin in a real way Neither am i educated as most here, But i posses a Phd. in common sense as well as street sense! And a genuine love for the oppressed and down trodden thats real.

"You can't teach what you don't know" "And you can't lead where you won't go" ?

Don't want you to get it twisted!

Welcome N&S and Praise the Lord for your deliverence out of "the ditch". You are a humbled and saved child of God. Bless you.

[Pickle]

N&S, praise God for your testimony!

Sorry about being slow. I do my best around here to avoid sticking my foot in my mouth, lest I become shark bait, and that was the only reason for my hesitancy. Feel free to use whatever phrases you wish. Maybe I'll learn a thing or too.

[Whtz Happenin]

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Tommy, you mention the hurt and pain that has come from all of this to your wife and children. My heart goes out to them. No one can even imagine the magnitude of that pain unless they have also gone through such. But, if there is hurt and pain, the responsibility for that rests upon you, if you are guilty. If, you are not guilty, the responsibility rests upon those who falsely accused you—GM.

Unfortunately this mess appears to be irresolvable without the intervention of the civil authorities. Statements have been made that litigation is coming from more than one direction. I do not criticize any of the people who may litigate. In my theology, God has established civil governments, and they play a role in the lives of Christians. If litigation is what it takes to resolve these issues, than that is what it will take. In the mean time, I wish you well spiritually, and otherwise. God will be with you on whatever path you have to walk. I see much that is positive in you. But, I also suspect that you still have a rough road ahead of you. My prayer for you is that you will understand what God wants of you in this mess, and that you will be willing to follow that leading of God. If God calls you to action—do it—GM.

Thank you Observer for your thoughts. I pray that TS's heart will soften and he will state the truth to aid in the healing process for the alleged victims. This would be the true test to indicate that change has happened in the last six years, as TS indicates in his Open Letter. Thankfully, through the wonderful grace of Jesus we all can receive healing even if the other party does not seek forgiveness.

[joyce]

Thank you Observer for your thoughts. I pray that TS's heart will soften and he will state the truth to aid in the healing process for the alleged victims. This would be the true test to indicate that change has happened in the last six years, as TS indicates in his Open Letter. Thankfully, through the wonderful grace of Jesus we all can receive healing even if the other party does not seek forgiveness.

This whole situation is so sad. Not all of the victims have come forward either. As one who is close to me and has not chosen to come forward, tells me that there are lots of reason to keep quiet. One, it is embarrassing. Why you didn't see it coming and what had you done to bring on this sort of attention. Is it possible that you as a young man are perceived by an older man as homosexual? Would your family and friends now look down on you, if they knew what had happened?

This young man was able to escape by jumping out of the car and running back to town. The incident was reported to DS, who only told the victim to keep quiet about it. Another kin of DS only laughed and said, Oh, You are just now finding out?

All this talk about TS is not news to our family. This caused our dear one a great deal of pain for many years. It is hard see all the talk here on BSDA saying all this about TS and his molesting is just rumors. It is unfortunately, the truth.

Joyce

[Fran]

This whole situation is so sad. Not all of the victims have come forward either. As one who is close to me and has not chosen to come forward, tells me that there are lots of reason to keep quiet. One, it is embarrassing. Why you didn't see it coming and what had you done to bring on this sort of attention. Is it possible that you as a young man are perceived by an older man as homosexual? Would your family and friends now look down on you, if they knew what had happened?

This young man was able to escape by jumping out of the car and running back to town. The incident was reported to DS, who only told the victim to keep quiet about it. Another kin of DS only laughed and said, Oh, You are just now finding out?

All this talk about TS is not news to our family. This caused our dear one a great deal of pain for many years. It is hard see all the talk here on BSDA saying all this about TS and his molesting is just rumors. It is unfortunately, the truth.

Joyce

If there is a class action, isn't there some way victims identities can be shielded? There should be. I full well understand his feelings in the matter.

I sure hope that there is something that can be done. Maybe they need to talk to Gailon Joy. This is so hard for victims, especially when they are ripped apart by the "Other 14" Attorneys.

[Observer]

If there is a class action, isn't there some way victims identities can be shielded? There should be. I full well understand his feelings in the matter.

I sure hope that there is something that can be done. Maybe they need to talk to Gailon Joy. This is so hard for victims, especially when they are ripped apart by the "Other 14" Attorneys.

That is sometimes done for children.

From the "practical" standpoint it is highly unlikely that it could be done for people who are now adults. There identification would get out one way or another.

[PeacefulBe]

This whole situation is so sad. Not all of the victims have come forward either. As one who is close to me and has not chosen to come forward, tells me that there are lots of reason to keep quiet. One, it is embarrassing. Why you didn't see it coming and what had you done to bring on this sort of attention. Is it possible that you as a young man are perceived by an older man as homosexual? Would your family and friends now look down on you, if they knew what had happened?

This young man was able to escape by jumping out of the car and running back to town. The incident was reported to DS, who only told the victim to keep quiet about it. Another kin of DS only laughed and said, Oh, You are just now finding out?

All this talk about TS is not news to our family. This caused our dear one a great deal of pain for many years. It is hard see all the talk here on BSDA saying all this about TS and his molesting is just rumors. It is unfortunately, the truth.

Joyce

Joyce,
I am so sorry that the "one who is close" to you has had to endure such pain. What you have stated is just exactly what predators and their support systems count on - shaming the victim into silence. I am, once again, shattered and dismayed to see that DS and his kin would be so willing to sacrifice the well-being of a young person to protect their loved one in his sinful behavior.

I pray that this person will find healing. I know that going public with his story of abuse would be hard, but I believe it is also a step towards truly putting the pain behind. I have watched the progress of Duane Clem since he hesitantly came forward in January and am so encouraged that he appears to finally be able to step out of the denial he was in and begin to heal. Of course, he is also having to deal with the anger of those supporting TS for having broken the secrecy he held for half of his life. It certainly is not an easy road for a victim but I trust that Duane and others will find the journey worth it after all.

[GrammieTana]

Joyce,
I am so sorry that the "one who is close" to you has had to endure such pain. What you have stated is just exactly what predators and their support systems count on - shaming the victim into silence. I am, once again, shattered and dismayed to see that DS and his kin would be so willing to sacrifice the well-being of a young person to protect their loved one in his sinful behavior.

I pray that this person will find healing. I know that going public with his story of abuse would be hard, but I believe it is also a step towards truly putting the pain behind. I have watched the progress of Duane Clem since he hesitantly came forward in January and am so encouraged that he appears to finally be able to step out of the denial he was in and begin to heal. Of course, he is also having to deal with the anger of those supporting TS for having broken the secrecy he held for half of his life. It certainly is not an easy road for a victim but I trust that Duane and others will find the journey worth it after all.

PB, this is exactly why I said in another thread that these issues are separate from the 3ABN financial issues. This was not a matter of protecting 3ABN, but rather another family member, 3ABN employee or not.

I am hopeful that Linda's new attorney will find it possible to facilitate prosecution of DS at least, and perhaps TS as well, for their criminal behavior where and whenever it took place and with whom. Could he do both cases at once? Probably not, but at least he could help TS victims find courage to prosecute on their own behalf. This cannot continue to be swept under the rug.

GT

[Whtz Happenin]

This whole situation is so sad. Not all of the victims have come forward either. As one who is close to me and has not chosen to come forward, tells me that there are lots of reason to keep quiet. One, it is embarrassing. Why you didn't see it coming and what had you done to bring on this sort of attention. Is it possible that you as a young man are perceived by an older man as homosexual? Would your family and friends now look down on you, if they knew what had happened?

This young man was able to escape by jumping out of the car and running back to town. The incident was reported to DS, who only told the victim to keep quiet about it. Another kin of DS only laughed and said, Oh, You are just now finding out?

All this talk about TS is not news to our family. This caused our dear one a great deal of pain for many years. It is hard see all the talk here on BSDA saying all this about TS and his molesting is just rumors. It is unfortunately, the truth.

Joyce

Joyce, Thank you for sharing with us. I will be praying for you and your family member, along with many others, as they weigh the cost of coming forward.

What can we as society do to change this perception that most victims have? We may not be able to influence society as a whole, but we can influence how we react to the situation. Friends and family of a victims can step up and let the victim know that they will stand up with them no matter what happens. Help them learn to look to God for their self worth and know that they are a beloved son or daughter of God. So Joyce I encourage you to continue to look to God and encourage your family that this does not have to remain a hidden issue.

I am not saying that coming forward is easy by any means, but the faster the weight can be transferred to our Father in Heaven the better. This can happen with or without support from others, but positive support from friends and family can make a world of difference.

I applaud all who have come forward, but I do not look down on anyone that has not, because I have not walked the road that they have. I can only remind others that Jesus does know the pain and has already made provisions for their healing.

The boys, now men, can form a "band of brothers" and encourage each other. I love it when Duane states with confidence that he will not be silenced by anyone anymore.

If the victim or victims in VA can still press charges, can you imagine the power of the victims from IL driving over there to show their support?

And when the enemy stands up and shouts lies to try to silence God's beloved children,

"What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written:

“ For Your sake we are killed all day long;
We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter."

Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:31-39 NKJV

The Truth shall set you free!

Now that's Whtz Happenin
(Sorry, but I got fired up as I read the scriptures above.)

[runner4him]

Joyce, Thank you for sharing with us. I will be praying for you and your family member, along with many others, as they weigh the cost of coming forward.

What can we as society do to change this perception that most victims have? We may not be able to influence society as a whole, but we can influence how we react to the situation. Friends and family of a victims can step up and let the victim know that they will stand up with them no matter what happens. Help them learn to look to God for their self worth and know that they are a beloved son or daughter of God. So Joyce I encourage you to continue to look to God and encourage your family that this does not have to remain a hidden issue.

I am not saying that coming forward is easy by any means, but the faster the weight can be transferred to our Father in Heaven the better. This can happen with or without support from others, but positive support from friends and family can make a world of difference.

I applaud all who have come forward, but I do not look down on anyone that has not, because I have not walked the road that they have. I can only remind others that Jesus does know the pain and has already made provisions for their healing.

The boys, now men, can form a "band of brothers" and encourage each other. I love it when Duane states with confidence that he will not be silenced by anyone anymore.

If the victim or victims in VA can still press charges, can you imagine the power of the victims from IL driving over there to show their support?

And when the enemy stands up and shouts lies to try to silence God's beloved children,

"What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written:

“ For Your sake we are killed all day long;
We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter."

Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:31-39 NKJV

The Truth shall set you free!

Now that's Whtz Happenin
(Sorry, but I got fired up as I read the scriptures above.)

My heart grieves with the victims and their families. Maybe we could have a large caravan of people who care about the injustices that have been done....we could drive wherever to be a support to these dear people who have suffered so much. We need to stand up and call sin by its right name and be unafraid!

[Whtz Happenin]

My heart grieves with the victims and their families. Maybe we could have a large caravan of people who care about the injustices that have been done....we could drive wherever to be a support to these dear people who have suffered so much. We need to stand up and call sin by its right name and be unafraid!

Welcome runner4him!

[Seraphim7]

What steps have been taken to bring the culprit to justice?