3abn "on The Road" Again Options

[princessdi]

****I feel the need, just now to ask everyone to take a deep breath before posting. Emotions tend to run on overload in this forum. I have read a couple of things from every side that were less than "vegetarian" as I like to say( but you all know what I mean). The reason I have not said anything to any particular person is because you all are giving as good as you get. So everyone is even.

Ok Everybody......Deeeeep Breath! Proceed! ****

[erik]

****I feel the need, just now to ask everyone to take a deep breath before posting. Emotions tend to run on overload in this forum. I have read a couple of things from every side that were less than "vegetarian" as I like to say( but you all know what I mean). The reason I have not said anything to any particular person is because you all are giving as good as you get. So everyone is even.

Ok Everybody......Deeeeep Breath! Proceed! ****

P.Di,

I would not want your job of trying to guide the unruly lot that we are sometimes, thank you for your hard work and that of the Admin's.

Erik

[PeacefulBe]

You are doing exactly what I said you do. Making something out of nothing. The fact is When I called and ask, I was told that he is now General Manager of the latino programming. The End. That is what was said and that is how I understood it. Point is, your whole posting career is trying to make something of nothing. To plant your seeds where there is no fertile ground to grow in.

I have the highest regards for women. Trouble is, except for Di and maybe DrRe, I consider all you named as, one and the same. You are all in this together, feeding off of one another like piranas. Taking nothing and tossing around how you can make it something. Denying one minute that you are getting your info from LS and the next minute, admitting it. Your goals are all one and the same. To create enough lies, doubt and rumors to bring DS and 3abn down. Each one of you have your own agenda's and are foolish enough to think that no one knows or can find out who you are and why you are doing this.
Yes, I have the highest regards for women of integrity, truth and virtue. Your "Destroy 3abn Club" doesn't fit that criteria.

Bystander,

Are you old enough to remember Senator McCarthy? He was a paranoid, nasty old guy who tried to cast aspersions on many folks by alleging they were Communists or Socialists. History has revealed what a vicious, pathetic and small-minded man he actually was.

You have just alleged that I am a member of the "Destroy 3abn Club" and that my goal is "to create enough lies, doubt and rumor to bring DS and 3abn down." I deny your false allegations and challenge you to start bringing forward examples of any lies, doubts or rumors I have raised.

PB

[Pickle]

The fact is When I called and ask, I was told that he is now General Manager of the latino programming.

Of course he is, and has been ever since the previous person in charge of the Latino Network got ... did she get axed because of her support of Linda?

But the question is, did they, when you called, deny that John Dinzey also serves as head of the pastoral department, according to 3ABN's website? You did not say above that they denied that he also serves in that capacity.

A board member told me on October 23, 2006, that John Dinzey was in charge of pastoral. So if there has been a change, it has to have been recently.

[PeacefulBe]

****I feel the need, just now to ask everyone to take a deep breath before posting. Emotions tend to run on overload in this forum. I have read a couple of things from every side that were less than "vegetarian" as I like to say( but you all know what I mean). The reason I have not said anything to any particular person is because you all are giving as good as you get. So everyone is even.

Ok Everybody......Deeeeep Breath! Proceed! ****

Snurrrrf, Whooooooooosh, Ahhhhhhhhh.
Sigh.

[Pickle]

Bystander,

...

You have just alleged that I am a member of the "Destroy 3abn Club" and that my goal is "to create enough lies, doubt and rumor to bring DS and 3abn down." I deny your false allegations and challenge you to start bringing forward examples of any lies, doubts or rumors I have raised.

PB

Do it, Bystander. Take her up on her challenge. Let her have it if you can. And if you can't do, the Christian thing and apologize.

This post has been edited by Pickle: Mar 14 2007, 04:05 PM

[LaurenceD]

Watch one 24 period of programming and you will have your answer of how much time is actually spent on the 3 Angels Message.

I do have a life, thanks anyway! Just thought you might know the answer. But glad you said that because it reminded me of another thing DS said in his sermon, talking about himself: he asked the audience if they thought he was being a smart-aleck.

:raises eyebrow:

[LaurenceD]

I have to admit that when someone talks about "one special purpose of our SDA existence" that it triggers a "cringe factor" in me. I think our SDA existence is for essentially the same purpose as that of every other Christian Church... and that is to present and represent Christ to the world.

(snip)

And all of the above are subsumed under the "everlasting gospel" that the First Angel is depicted in Revelation as carrying. This message and mission is not solely that of the Adventist church.... it is the message and mission of ALL churches who bear the name of Christ.... whether they see themselves in that endtime passage or not. To the extent which they fail to give a pure message, churches may degenerate into churches which are called Babylon in the following messages. But it is our mission and goal first of all to be a part of the First Angel's message .... the only one with a positive Christian message..... If we don't have that straight and predominate, then we can very easily fall into a category to be warned against rather than helping to give the warning messages of the second and third angel.

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

I don't know of any other church, other than the SDA, and formed out of members from other churches (Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterian, etc.), that came together for this special purpose -- to warn the world of the Judgement. These other denominations mentioned above were already involved in part of the 1st angel's message--"the everlasting gospel," but, after the Great Disappointment, they realized their mistake -- that Christ wasn't to return to the earth in 1844, but that he moved to the most holy place of the sanctuary to begin it's cleansing (the Judgement). Of this, EGW says Miller had the right date, but the wrong place/wrong event.

[Clay]

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

I don't know of any other church, other than the SDA, and formed out of members from other churches (Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterian, etc.), that came together for this special purpose -- to warn the world of the Judgement. These other denominations mentioned above were already involved in part of the 1st angel's message--"the everlasting gospel," but, after the Great Disappointment, they realized their mistake -- that Christ wasn't to return to the earth in 1844, but that he moved to the most holy place of the sanctuary to begin it's cleansing (the Judgement). Of this, EGW says Miller had the right date, but the wrong place/wrong event.

ummmmmmmm ok... sure he did... date wrong, event wrong.... heavenly sanctuary? that has yet to be determined.....

[PeacefulBe]

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

I don't know of any other church, other than the SDA, and formed out of members from other churches (Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterian, etc.), that came together for this special purpose -- to warn the world of the Judgement. These other denominations mentioned above were already involved in part of the 1st angel's message--"the everlasting gospel," but, after the Great Disappointment, they realized their mistake -- that Christ wasn't to return to the earth in 1844, but that he moved to the most holy place of the sanctuary to begin it's cleansing (the Judgement). Of this, EGW says Miller had the right date, but the wrong place/wrong event.

While watching 3abn online a few Sabbaths ago, I saw part of a sermon by David Asscherick on The Sanctuary, showing the point of all of the ceremonies and how they apply to this day and age. From the portion I caught, it was a wonderful, informative sermon. That program tells at least part of that angel's message to the world, that our High Priest is in that Heavenly Holiest of Holy places and doing His work of atonement, claiming the very blood He shed as a sacrifice for us.

I agree with you that the Seventh-day Adventist church appears to be unique in this fundamental belief. Yes, other Christian churches preach The Judgement, but from my understanding it is more about a person's sin condition at death which will send them directly to heaven or hell or "Judgement Day" when the fire-and-brimstone God will smite sinners for their sins.

Of course, I've never attended classes at Andrews so I may be mistaken!

Clay, please note my disclaimer at the end of my statement before you take me to task over what I believe. I'm still learning the Sanctuary for myself but I believe what I have read and what I wrote above this to be true and supported by scripture and SOP (which I also believe and is my prerogative to believe in and your prerogative to, um, not.)

[Clay]

While watching 3abn online a few Sabbaths ago, I saw part of a sermon by David Asscherick on The Sanctuary, showing the point of all of the ceremonies and how they apply to this day and age. From the portion I caught, it was a wonderful, informative sermon. That program tells at least part of that angel's message to the world, that our High Priest is in that Heavenly Holiest of Holy places and doing His work of atonement, claiming the very blood He shed as a sacrifice for us.

I agree with you that the Seventh-day Adventist church appears to be unique in this fundamental belief. Yes, other Christian churches preach The Judgement, but from my understanding it is more about a person's sin condition at death which will send them directly to heaven or hell or "Judgement Day" when the fire-and-brimstone God will smite sinners for their sins.

Of course, I've never attended classes at Andrews so I may be mistaken!

Clay, please note my disclaimer at the end of my statement before you take me to task over what I believe. I'm still learning the Sanctuary for myself but I believe what I have read and what I wrote above this to be true and supported by scripture and SOP (which I also believe and is my prerogative to believe in and your prerogative to, um, not.)

people can believe whatever they choose to believe.... so I am not taking you to task...

[LaurenceD]

ummmmmmmm ok... sure he did... date wrong, event wrong.... heavenly sanctuary? that has yet to be determined.....

I share your sentiments. Still, hisotrically, this appears to be what the SDA church origianlly believed, and still does to a great extent--at least some extent. Wonder where 3abn stands on this.

[Clay]

I share your sentiments. Still, hisotrically, this appears to be what the SDA church origianlly believed, and still does to a great extent--at least some extent. Wonder where 3abn stands on this.

understood.... and fair enough.... don't want to hijack this thread... it would be interesting if the 3abner's even know what the 3 angel's message is and could share how often it is taught on 3abn....

[Bystander]

Of course he is, and has been ever since the previous person in charge of the Latino Network got ... did she get axed because of her support of Linda?

But the question is, did they, when you called, deny that John Dinzey also serves as head of the pastoral department, according to 3ABN's website? You did not say above that they denied that he also serves in that capacity.

A board member told me on October 23, 2006, that John Dinzey was in charge of pastoral. So if there has been a change, it has to have been recently.

Bob, I was inaccurate on what I understood about JD. As said before. what does that have to do with anything. JD was not the topic of dicussion. DS was. And my statements had nothing to do with whether John was or was not head of pastoral.
Now,did you misundersand also concerning your remark in the first paragraph? Because, that is important ,and I would hate to think you were giving false information purposely. Both of your remarks are wrong.

SJ was never officially general manager of Latino. She was in programming. She unofficially handled some of the duties that later fell to the General Manager
Also, she was never fired she quit. My opinion? It was because she was set on getting the GM job and it was given to JD instead. No doubt, you know her persona on this forum. I have a feeling you knew the facts too, but just insinuated differently. Same old story, same old theme. We just keep hearing from those who have an axe to grind for one reason or another. I came to that conclusion quite some time ago and most here are proving me right.

[fallible humanbe...]

SJ was never officially general manager of Latino. She was in programming. She unofficially handled some of the duties that later fell to the General Manager
Also, she was never fired she quit.

So true. She thought the position would fall to her and it didn't. The reasons were sound and the decision was correct. She also left of her own choosing and moved to another Adventist oriented network where, if she is posting here she would be in a position of very serious conflict of interest.

- FHB