3abn "on The Road" Again Options

[calvin]

I share your sentiments. Still, hisotrically, this appears to be what the SDA church origianlly believed, and still does to a great extent--at least some extent. Wonder where 3abn stands on this.

Why does 3ABN has to stand for anything? It is just a name. I have never heard them make any proclamation of living up the 3 angels message. I know a guy that named is business 3 Angels Printing because he liked the name.

Bystander, how come http://www.3abn.org/pastoral_team.cfm says that John Dinzey is the head of the pastoral department?

Another question for you: I've gotten an email from one of the posters here claiming that you and FHB have been PM'ing them, and that there is something about the tone of your (not FHB's) PM's that concerned their spouse. Could you please explain?

PM here are private, meant to be that way, so don't ask anybody to reveal an PMs here.

[PeacefulBe]

people can believe whatever they choose to believe.... so I am not taking you to task...

Sorry, brother Clay. After I read your response to LD I got a bit nervous.

So true. She thought the position would fall to her and it didn't. The reasons were sound and the decision was correct. She also left of her own choosing and moved to another Adventist oriented network where, if she is posting here she would be in a position of very serious conflict of interest.

- FHB

FHB,
Why would SJ be in a position of very serious conflict of interest if she is posting here?

PB

[princessdi]

Why does 3ABN has to stand for anything? It is just a name. I have never heard them make any proclamation of living up the 3 angels message. I know a guy that named is business 3 Angels Printing because he liked the name.

Because the perception they give is that they support and promote that doctrine, ALL SDA doctrine. It would be a lot different if they didn't have exclusively SDA programming, SDA special events, pastors, guests, etc. They give the impression, even if they never say it. It is like I keep saying about them being conveniently a ministry, and then a business when it suits them...they need to get off the fence.

Plus, we all know, they didn't pick that nane, simply because the liked it. These people ARE Adventist. I truly believe that is defnitely what they wanted to proclaim from the beginning.

[Pickle]

PM here are private, meant to be that way, so don't ask anybody to reveal an PMs here.

I understand. Was my question inappropriate even though I didn't ask for PM's to be revealed? And if so, if a member thinks they are being unduly harassed in PM's, what recourse is there?

Bob, I was inaccurate on what I understood about JD. As said before. what does that have to do with anything. JD was not the topic of dicussion. DS was. And my statements had nothing to do with whether John was or was not head of pastoral.
Now,did you misundersand also concerning your remark in the first paragraph? Because, that is important ,and I would hate to think you were giving false information purposely. Both of your remarks are wrong.

SJ was never officially general manager of Latino. She was in programming. She unofficially handled some of the duties that later fell to the General Manager
Also, she was never fired she quit. My opinion? It was because she was set on getting the GM job and it was given to JD instead. No doubt, you know her persona on this forum. I have a feeling you knew the facts too, but just insinuated differently. Same old story, same old theme. We just keep hearing from those who have an axe to grind for one reason or another. I came to that conclusion quite some time ago and most here are proving me right.

I got the impression that your statements most certainly were about John.

As far as SJ goes, you will notice that I didn't make a remark. I asked a question, since I don't know. And I don't know her persona, or if she even has one.

Can you provide any evidence that management's decision regarding positions and/or encouragement to stay on had nothing to do with her thoughts about Linda's case?

[princessdi]

Yes, Bob, it is inapproprite to refer to PMS at all pretty much. You might have PM'd Bystander to ask him about it. If someone recieves a PM that the perceive to be threatening or inappropriate in anyway, they are to report it to an Admin immediately. that kind of thingis not tolerated here. Since I am on PST, I will check in again before I turn in for the night.

I understand. Was my question inappropriate even though I didn't ask for PM's to be revealed? And if so, if a member thinks they are being unduly harassed in PM's, what recourse is there?

[fallible humanbe...]

Sorry, brother Clay. After I read your response to LD I got a bit nervous.
FHB,
Why would SJ be in a position of very serious conflict of interest if she is posting here?

PB

If you are employed by one of the other main SDA oriented networks and do all you can to tear down 3ABN . . . that would be a clear conflict of interest . . . Get your pay check from another network while tearing down 3ABN . . . and as I pointed out "if" she is posting here she would certainly be wrapped in a web of conflict of interest - especially if her husband turned out to be one of her sources of information, along with Linda (who she has all along been very close to) . . . the conflict of interest would be far reaching . . .

- FHB

[Pickle]

Yes, Bob, it is inapproprite to refer to PMS at all pretty much. You might have PM'd Bystander to ask him about it. If someone recieves a PM that the perceive to be threatening or inappropriate in anyway, they are to report it to an Admin immediately. that kind of thingis not tolerated here. Since I am on PST, I will check in again before I turn in for the night.

I think there have been multiple members who have complained about this kind of thing. At least by raising the question, they may be encouraged to come to you folks if they feel it necessary.

Thanks for your reply.

[erik]

If you are employed by one of the other main SDA oriented networks and do all you can to tear down 3ABN . . . that would be a clear conflict of interest . . . Get your pay check from another network while tearing down 3ABN . . . and as I pointed out "if" she is posting here she would certainly be wrapped in a web of conflict of interest - especially if her husband turned out to be one of her sources of information, along with Linda (who she has all along been very close to) . . . the conflict of interest would be far reaching . . .

- FHB

I removed my post because after reconsidering it was not the best way to ask FHB my point.


Erik

This post has been edited by erik: Mar 15 2007, 01:04 PM

[Rosyroi]

You are all in this together, feeding off of one another like piranas. Taking nothing and tossing around how you can make it something. Denying one minute that you are getting your info from LS and the next minute, admitting it. Your goals are all one and the same. To create enough lies, doubt and rumors to bring DS and 3abn down. Each one of you have your own agenda's and are foolish enough to think that no one knows or can find out who you are and why you are doing this.

Bystander, I am assuming you are talking to me also since I occassionally post. You tried to put me down with my personal witness in another post.

I don't understand your "feeding off one another like piranas". Sounds like a personal problem to me. I don't even know anyone in this forum.

I came in here to find the truth. Several rumors spread by 3ABN(Walt Thompson) to people in my town were all lies to discredit and put Linda down. I asked Sister about one rumor that was spread by Walt Thompson and she told me it was false. This rumor is a minor one but a minor lie is a lie. (since this rumor has not been posted I won't mention which one it is). That one point tells me the other rumors spread were lies also.

I can't verify the fact that Walt Thompson sent the letters to the dear little old lady who loved 3ABN and told her these lies to discredit Linda because the dear little old lady has passed away. I just know that she LOVED 3ABN and was just telling her friends what he wrote to her. She considered him her dear close friend.

I don't care if you shred my personal witness. You tried before it didn't work then and it won't work now. You have no credibility with me. You have shown me with the above post that you have no respect for women. I feel sorry for you.

If any part of this is considered double posting my appologies to the ADMIN.

If I sound rude, my appologies to all those reading this post. Was not meant to be rude. Just stating my position and opinion.

Rosyroi

This post has been edited by Rosyroi: Mar 15 2007, 04:31 AM

[Pickle]

If you are employed by one of the other main SDA oriented networks and do all you can to tear down 3ABN . . . that would be a clear conflict of interest . . . Get your pay check from another network while tearing down 3ABN . . . and as I pointed out "if" she is posting here she would certainly be wrapped in a web of conflict of interest - especially if her husband turned out to be one of her sources of information, along with Linda (who she has all along been very close to) . . . the conflict of interest would be far reaching . . .

- FHB

Personally, I think you may be incorrect. For example, it shouldn't be a conflict of interest for employees of Coca-Cola to post questions about the integrity of management of Pepsi-Cola. That would be anything but a conflict. In fact, I would think that would be in their interest.

So true. She thought the position would fall to her and it didn't. The reasons were sound and the decision was correct. She also left of her own choosing and moved to another Adventist oriented network where ....

I find it amazing that you would profess to know such details so quickly. How exactly did you come to know such nitty-gritty details like this? How long have you known them?

In your publicly-viewable profile, you say that your home church is the Florida Hospital Church. How often do you attend? Roughly when was the last time you were there? Last week, within the last month or two or three, when? What was the sermon about when you were last there?

[princessdi]

The only way it would be a conflict of interest is that she still ahd some interest in 3ABN. if she sut all ties with 3ABN, then there is no conflict. Hwo do you figure it is a conflict of interest. She evidently has no interest in 3ABN.

If you are employed by one of the other main SDA oriented networks and do all you can to tear down 3ABN . . . that would be a clear conflict of interest . . . Get your pay check from another network while tearing down 3ABN . . . and as I pointed out "if" she is posting here she would certainly be wrapped in a web of conflict of interest - especially if her husband turned out to be one of her sources of information, along with Linda (who she has all along been very close to) . . . the conflict of interest would be far reaching . . .

- FHB

[sonshineonme]

So true. She thought the position would fall to her and it didn't. The reasons were sound and the decision was correct. She also left of her own choosing and moved to another Adventist oriented network where, if she is posting here she would be in a position of very serious conflict of interest.

- FHB

My opinion on what I know of this, this is not true at all. ALTHOUGH, I am sure DS and his group would like to scare her into thinking that it is so, it simply is not so.

[watchbird]

The only way it would be a conflict of interest is that she still ahd some interest in 3ABN. if she sut all ties with 3ABN, then there is no conflict. Hwo do you figure it is a conflict of interest. She evidently has no interest in 3ABN.

Did I miss something important, or is the "she" we are talking about the wife of John Dinsey who is employed by 3abn? The same 3abn who exercises surveilance and control of their employees?

If so.... there would definitely be a "conflict of interest" ..... and could even have an impact upon her husband's employment and positions. How could you figure otherwise.... If she is married to a 3abn employee it would be pretty difficult to "cut all ties" with 3abn, would it not?

Or am I totally wrong and this isn't who we are talking about?

Later edit... for the benefit of any who read this first.... I was wrong in the identification given above.... but I'll leave this errant post since it forms the jumping off place for the corrections and discussion following this. Thank you very much to those who corrected me quickly.

This post has been edited by watchbird: Mar 15 2007, 11:25 AM

[LaurenceD]

Conflict of interest is a term with very limited meaning. It's applicable for someone in postions of both privileged inside information, and making a decsion based on that information. Also incompatible postions. A conflict is primarily of a direct, or indirect, pecuniary interest. Lay people often use it very loosely, for some mysterious reason, when trying to show that someone has a bias, or is partial. But, it a lot more than just that. One has to be able to profit.

Answers.com provides a good overview http://www.answers.com/conflict+of+interest&r=67
Maybe FHB could read it carefully and show us which definition applies.

And, every state has it's own definitions to help their elected lay people understand terms like conflict and unfairness. Here's some indepth reading, from my state (and most states have the same), for those interested in a clearer meaning.

http://www.mrsc.org/Subjects/Legal/conflict/conflict.aspx

http://www.mrsc.org/Subjects/Legal/aofpage.aspx
http://www.mrsc.org/Publications/appfair.pdf

EDIT NOTE: adding a good definition from the link above. Avoiding a conflict involves...

elimination of actual bias, prejudice, improper influence or favoritism, but also in the curbing of conditions which, by their very existence, tend to create suspicion, generate misinterpretation, and cast a pall of partiality, impropriety, conflict of interest or prejudgment over the proceedings to which they relate.

This post has been edited by LaurenceD: Mar 15 2007, 10:28 AM

[PeacefulBe]

Did I miss something important, or is the "she" we are talking about the wife of John Dinsey who is employed by 3abn? The same 3abn who exercises surveilance and control of their employees?

If so.... there would definitely be a "conflict of interest" ..... and could even have an impact upon her husband's employment and positions. How could you figure otherwise.... If she is married to a 3abn employee it would be pretty difficult to "cut all ties" with 3abn, would it not?

Or am I totally wrong and this isn't who we are talking about?

SJ, Sandra Juarez. Is she married to John Dinzey?

Note: after I posted this I was unsure if I had read an earlier post correctly that SJ had been identified as Sandra. Doing a quick search I didn't find it so I edited my answer. Since my answer was already seen, I have replaced it.

This post has been edited by PeacefullyBewildered: Mar 15 2007, 11:21 AM