Can One Defy The 3abn Board & Get Away With It?, Linda, Tommy, Danny, & Brandy Options

[LaurenceD]

If "management" is making important decsions, what/where is the policy that describes what powers management has--or has been delegated--and what powers the board has, if any. I wonder if any proposal before the board has ever been rejected, or modified.

Depending on the powers of the board, it could revisit certain types of issues, and could also override management decisions--which is normally the way it works.

We're tinkering with the screws in the hinge here, the very important thing on which the weight of the whole door depends.

[Pickle]

Bob, my first question would be can any Board member invite someone to speak before the full board or could they be blocked by the Chairman? Would past Board members have an answer to this question which does not seem to be one that would be precluded by any confidentiality issues.

Want to contact him and see what he says? Or any of the other board members?

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[watchbird]

If "management" is making important decsions, what/where is the policy that describes what powers management has--or has been delegated--and what powers the board has, if any. I wonder if any proposal before the board has ever been rejected, or modified.

Depending on the powers of the board, it could revisit certain types of issues, and could also override management decisions--which is normally the way it works.

We're tinkering with the screws in the hinge here, the very important thing on which the weight of the whole door depends.

No LaurenceD, we are not "tinkering".... except as some try to figure out how 3abn compares with other duly constructed boards... and expect to find the way things "normally.... work" applying in the 3abn case. There is plenty of testimony from "both sides".... or many sides.... that let us know that Danny is the door, he is the hinge, he is the screws, and he is the carpenter which puts them in place.

One good place to find this on BSDA is in the guided tour to the Unauthorized History threads... which, btw, as you probably already know, contains input from a LOT more witnesses than merely Sister's accounts. Another good place to look is in the documents from the 1997 time frame when Hulsey was explaining to Folkenberg why 3abn would not be willing to sign any kind of contract with the GC.

It is nice to keep bringing up how corporations and boards normally work so as to show that 3abn does not work that way.... but it is futile if we carry that comparison to the point of thinking that we could "tinker" with the operations as they stand now... or that they are going to change and bring themselves into line with what is "normally" done by such board.

[Rosyroi]

Thank you folks for some very interesting points discussed last night and this am.

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still watching the developments...unfortunately still addicted

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[LaurenceD]

watchbird, just for clarification, by "tinkering," I mean, in our diagnosis, we're getting to the real cause of the problem with the whole purpose of having this board. The questions we're asking is the very thing power structure hinges on. No, DS is not suppose to be the board or the hinges (policies). He's mangagement, owner, president. Presidents can sit on boards, but boards, by their very nature, are set up to be the policy making part of the structure of an organization. He may ask for board approval of the Rules of Order and Procedure, ie, but if he is dictating to them what these policies are, the whole thing is a farce. If this board is truely just management giving the board wheel another spin, there's no use in even having a board--it's all just for show.

Maybe we've just nailed it!

[watchbird]

watchbird, just for clarification, by "tinkering," I mean, in our diagnosis, we're getting to the real cause of the problem with the whole purpose of having this board. The questions we're asking is the very thing power structure hinges on. No, DS is not suppose to be the board or the hinges (policies). He's mangagement, owner, president. Presidents can sit on boards, but boards, by their very nature, are set up to be the policy making part of the structure of an organization. He may ask for board approval of the Rules of Order and Procedure, ie, but if he is dictating to them what these policies are, the whole thing is a farce. If this board is truely just management giving the board wheel another spin, there's no use in even having a board--it's all just for show.

Maybe we've just nailed it!

Thanks for the clarification.

And yes, I think you have indeed "nailed it" ..... and when "for show" is what it's all about, then it is all important. Listen to Danny's public statements... and hear the echos of the spin machines..... "Could anything be wrong if successful businessmen of integrity, like those on the board, support 3abn?"

Call it "for show"... call it Public Relations.... call it a "credibility machine".... or any of many other possible labels.... it's all the same thing.... it's all part of the machinery that keeps the "really big shew" "on the road" and out on the airwaves.

[mozart]

SE,

I have wondered where you have been. Hope your move has been a positive one!

You raise many good points in your post. I think it is important to keep our Christian experience in the forefront while discussing the issues around 3abn. It is so easy to get irritated by something someone says, be cross back at them and forget that they are one of the precious souls that our Savior chose to die for. I know I have gone that direction a few times myself and it has caused me to step back and try to put things back into perspective.

Sometimes I do wish I could step away from these issues but I have such a burden on my heart for Tommy Shelton and his alleged victims as well as for Danny who has been instrumental in the attempt to cover up the behavior and, in the process, has tainted the view of our important, lifesaving message in the eyes of some folk.

Not all of the victims or their families can separate the SDA church from 3abn as Duane Clem has done. If not for Bob Pickle's work to expose the abuse being minimized and condoned by Danny and others, it is a strong possibility that Duane would not have stepped out of his own denial about the abuse. It has been such a joy to see him beginning to heal because of this investigation and to watch how his involvement here on BSDA has affected his outlook on our denomination. If his healing is the only victory that comes out of this process, it will have been worth it all!

If you feel that being involved here on the 3abn forum is not good for your own walk with our Lord, then you have to follow your heart. It will be a sad thing, IMO, because you have brought so much to this process through your perspective.
NW,
This is a point I have often wondered about. Are the Chairman and BoD even made aware of these types of issues that could have such an impact on the reputation of the ministry or do they deal only with the business side of 3abn?

well in referring to "is it always D.S. or does the board ever take another opinion" ? one huge observation that comes to mind; after the first exposure of TS's behavior, the board supposedly fired him and then DS bought him a luxury bus to travel around the country in to advertise 3abn. does that not seem beyond bizarre? i mean if that board decided that TS's reputation was a detriment to 3abn, who could possibly justify TS traveling the country representing 3abn? also if anyone knows, who was the president of the board back then?

[mozart]

i have another couple of questions: does anyone know who all the board members are and how to contact them by snail mail? if so, why don't we start a writing campaign?
i've tried all i can with walt so we can forget him. he's totally DS's puppet. you can't get through to him and i don't know if you can get past him. his diatribe is: they are all victims. they are all persecuted. everyone else is evil liars.
when he wrote that infamous 'ultimatum' letter to linda he even confessed that the "rest of the board didn't know anything about the situation" so his ultimatum was strictly between him and danny. i ask you, is that how a board works? i've never heard of anything like that. isn't the point of a board for checks and balances and responsibilities that are solely on behalf of the entity in which they represent. maybe i'm in error here but i always thought a BOD was to represent and protect the company, organization, etc. not the owners, president, etc.

[Pickle]

i have another couple of questions: does anyone know who all the board members are and how to contact them by snail mail? if so, why don't we start a writing campaign?

Great idea. Maybe Save3ABN can put up a contact them page.

when he wrote that infamous 'ultimatum' letter to linda he even confessed that the "rest of the board didn't know anything about the situation" so his ultimatum was strictly between him and danny.

He told you that? Can I get a copy of that?

[Pickle]

After thinking about this a bit more, it seems like Danny would have a conflict of interest in any 3ABN matter concerning his wife if that matter had to do with marriage counseling. He really couldn't have ethically had a part to play in that ultimatum, could he have?

[LaurenceD]

We may have one already...or two or three. Who knows, we may even have a quorum! And if that's the case, "discussions" on the internet, carried on by board members, has been interpreted by the courts as violating the Open Public Meetings Act--heehee--as if there's any accountability here (or there).

LD, you are suggesting that with a topic like this one, about the BoD, and with wwjd, Bystander, amd Lee only posting once each, and Aletheia posting about 5 times (all having nothing to do with the topic), that things are starting to make sense...that the reason why they know so much is because...well?

Yep, that's what i'm thinking.

[Snoopy]

i have another couple of questions: does anyone know who all the board members are and how to contact them by snail mail? if so, why don't we start a writing campaign?
i've tried all i can with walt so we can forget him. he's totally DS's puppet. you can't get through to him and i don't know if you can get past him. his diatribe is: they are all victims. they are all persecuted. everyone else is evil liars.
when he wrote that infamous 'ultimatum' letter to linda he even confessed that the "rest of the board didn't know anything about the situation" so his ultimatum was strictly between him and danny. i ask you, is that how a board works? i've never heard of anything like that. isn't the point of a board for checks and balances and responsibilities that are solely on behalf of the entity in which they represent. maybe i'm in error here but i always thought a BOD was to represent and protect the company, organization, etc. not the owners, president, etc.

Board member names and address are included in the IRS Form 990 and are public information. Here's the "List of Officers, Directorsfrom the 2005 filing:






OK - I'm pretty sure I didn't do that right - still learning...



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[GrammieTana]

sabbath observance does not earn one brownie points and cannot save.... It is Jesus, and only Jesus.... not Jesus + the sabbath or Jesus + diet.... even though as adventists we seems to make it seem that the "pluses" are important....

God's light has remained the same.... It is Jesus, and only He who saves..... nothing more... nothing less....

So right, Clay Oops, I was 'back reading' and just had to comment on this old post. But I stand by it!


JT

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[Observer]

Board member names and address are included in the IRS Form 990 and are public information. Here's the "List of Officers, Directorsfrom the 2005 filing:




OK - I'm pretty sure I didn't do that right - still learning...

You did it right. If you click on the images, and then expand that to fill the full screen, you can read names and addresses.

[Pickle]

Board member names and address are included in the IRS Form 990 and are public information. Here's the "List of Officers, Directorsfrom the 2005 filing:

I know Walt's address there is out of date.

Click on this and you'll see his current address.