Lawsuits Filed Options

[steffan]

I don't know who this person is; but I do know that back in the 1980's a black woman in Florida was told that she couldn't sue the US Air Force and win. Well she went ahead and sued them for discrimination and some other issues and won! I say that to say this: The law firm may have never lost a case, but there is a first time for anything. Because they haven't lost one in the past, doesn't mean they won't lose this lawsuit. When people start sending out letters such as this, folks are scared that more dirt (or truth) is going to be exposed. My question is: Are all of the members of 3ABN's and Amazing Facts's Boards ready to deal with the fallout? Garwin McNelius's money is nothing compared to the treasures of heaven. I would think that he would use his money for the greater good beyond building a facility in India and suing members of the SDA Church. [This is a funny old world.] God's truth will march on with or without Danny Shelton, Garwin McNelius, and the others who want to sue church members.

A facility in India? C'mon. Give credit where credit is due. The Mcneilus family has given millions to the cause of Christ in other countries around the world as well as here. Just as important, they have given their time and physical labor to help build their wells for clean water, schools, orphanages, and on and on. They seem to be constantly on mission trips to work, build and teach others about Jesus. Just because you don't like those that slander to be sued, you needn't try to minimize the christianity of the Mcneilus's. Their actions speak louder than words.

[LaurenceD]

I am absolutely convinced that no amount of wealth in the world can help humanity move forward, even in the hands of the most devoted worker. The example of great and pure individuals is the only thing that can lead us to noble thoughts and deeds. Money only appeals to selfishness and irresistably invites abuse. Can anyone imagine Moses, Jesus or Ghandi armed with the money-bags of Carnegie? -Albert Einstein, Source: On Wealth, 1954

[Jnana15]

A facility in India? C'mon. Give credit where credit is due. The Mcneilus family has given millions to the cause of Christ in other countries around the world as well as here. Just as important, they have given their time and physical labor to help build their wells for clean water, schools, orphanages, and on and on. They seem to be constantly on mission trips to work, build and teach others about Jesus. Just because you don't like those that slander to be sued, you needn't try to minimize the christianity of the Mcneilus's. Their actions speak louder than words.

Excuse me? Yes a facility in India. I know someone personally that has been on mission trips with this man and he ain't nobody to mess with when he wants to control people. If he can't have his way, he will shut things down and pull out his money, or squish you like a bug as my father use to say and do. My dad didn't have as much money as Mcneilus, but I sure watched him take down a pastor and the treasure of his church all behind control, power and money. He even sued me, his own daughter, behind money, control, and because my husband stood up to him MAN to MAN. So where is the christianity in these kind of people? To make a long story short, my dad was so awful that I went to a conference official about his behavior and that person was scared to do anything against him. He had the nerve to tell me that others had complained also and we should just give him his way and move on. Well, God stepped in and I got a phone call one morning saying that he had burned up in his home with all his possessions and my mom died with him. Don't think that I am heartless here, but I cried and was scared to death to ever want to control or harm any of God's people. Heaven is too precious to loose.
I truly believe that God will put no more on us then we can bare and provide a way of escape.

[Panama_Pete]

Just because you don't like those that slander to be sued, you needn't try to minimize the christianity of the Mcneilus's.

The lawsuit appears to be about copyright law and the save3abn.com Web site.

The premise concerning "those that slander" is your own, Steffan. And how would you feel if Arild Abrahamsen and his Norwegian clinic sued 3ABN? Is that the premise you had in mind?

This post has been edited by Panama_Pete: May 16 2007, 10:52 PM

[PeacefulBe]

I don't know who this person is; but I do know that back in the 1980's a black woman in Florida was told that she couldn't sue the US Air Force and win. Well she went ahead and sued them for discrimination and some other issues and won! I say that to say this: The law firm may have never lost a case, but there is a first time for anything. Because they haven't lost one in the past, doesn't mean they won't lose this lawsuit. When people start sending out letters such as this, folks are scared that more dirt (or truth) is going to be exposed. My question is: Are all of the members of 3ABN's and Amazing Facts's Boards ready to deal with the fallout? Garwin McNelius's money is nothing compared to the treasures of heaven. I would think that he would use his money for the greater good beyond building a facility in India and suing members of the SDA Church. [This is a funny old world.] God's truth will march on with or without Danny Shelton, Garwin McNelius, and the others who want to sue church members.

AMEN!

[PeacefulBe]

...the Mcneilus's. Their actions speak louder than words.

Steffan,

Benevolence with one's wealth can be a great blessing to both the one giving and the one receiving. God knows the motivation behind each gift given.

Eirene gave us an insight into the character of Garwin McNeilus when she/he praised him for the "guts" to handle his big business in a "dog eat dog" world.

http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?s...st&p=195405

If Eirene's post was a mischaracterization of how Garwin McNeilus conducts business, I hope someone will step in and set the record straight because as it stands right now I don't see our Lord looking favorably on that type of behavior.

PB

[Fran]

Jnana15 & Chez;

Thank you so much. We have nothing fear except we forget how God has led in the past. I am not sure of the exact quote right off hand, but it is true.

I Bible Studied with a lady that was married to a possessed person. Horrible things happened.

He kicked her out into the snow (About 22 packed Feet) and threw her clothes out with her. We drove up as he was throwing out the last of her goods. To this day I have no clue why we had large black garbage bags in the van. We loaded her up and brought her home.

We had previously bought her a set of the Conflict Series; 5 Vol and hardback. The night before, her husband took them one at a time, closed, and ripped them down the middle! No, not across or through the binding! I mean in the middle of the book from top to bottom! Then he threw the books into the furnace.

He beat her to a pulp and continued to rip her books in half. The last book he ripped was the Great Controversy! He threw it in the fire and she was able to retrieve the binding half and part of the right side. I really don't believe I would have believed her had I not seen that book with my own eyes. It was a straight rip! The binding was in tact, yet it was ripped from top to bottom.

He reported us to the government as Jim Jones followers. We supposedly had her locked in our basement brainwashing her.

We were told that if she was not out of our house by Sabbath, we would be leaving the country.

I called the conference president and he flew her out to the city the conference was in. The husband refused to believe she was not at our house; he called and threatened to kill me and our children.

I was alone at the time. I slept on the landing of the stairs so he would have to get through me to get to the kids, I slept with knives and bats ready to harm somebody. He tried to run me off the road even though I had all the children with me. I had to drive into a small opening in a snow bank where his huge van would not fit (I drove a VW Rabbit). We had to sit in the car for over an hour before he left. I ran into the pharmacy and called the police. We got an escort home.

I would stay up until 3-5 AM waiting for him to stop circling our block and stopping in front of our house. I sat in the kitchen in the dark and watched him through our huge kitchen windows. He couldn't see me.

Things got worse. He had long since refused to allow her to bring the kids to church anymore so he would take them out doing other stuff on the Sabbath. He went fishing soon after all the worst happened and he died of a heart attack; his boys were helpless to help him!

I have had many more instances where God intervened in ways that shocked me. I had no desire for him to die. We all prayed for him twice a day. We prayed that God would soften his heart. We never asked that harm come to him!

We cannot afford to forget how God has led in the past! You and Chez are correct. There is nothing to large that God cannot handle it in HIS way. Thanks for reminding me.

[PeacefulBe]

Excuse me? Yes a facility in India. I know someone personally that has been on mission trips with this man and he ain't nobody to mess with when he wants to control people. If he can't have his way, he will shut things down and pull out his money, or squish you like a bug as my father use to say and do. My dad didn't have as much money as Mcneilus, but I sure watched him take down a pastor and the treasure of his church all behind control, power and money. He even sued me, his own daughter, behind money, control, and because my husband stood up to him MAN to MAN. So where is the christianity in these kind of people? To make a long story short, my dad was so awful that I went to a conference official about his behavior and that person was scared to do anything against him. He had the nerve to tell me that others had complained also and we should just give him his way and move on. Well, God stepped in and I got a phone call one morning saying that he had burned up in his home with all his possessions and my mom died with him. Don't think that I am heartless here, but I cried and was scared to death to ever want to control or harm any of God's people. Heaven is too precious to loose.
I truly believe that God will put no more on us then we can bare and provide a way of escape.

Jnana15,

I know this must have been a hard post for you to write, but what an amazing testimony! It is sad when those in leadership positions lack the faith in God to stand on principle and draw the line against those who would attempt to control others. It is never beneficial to leave such in control, not matter what the denomination might "lose" if they were to stand up to such a person and say "No More". God has far greater wealth than anyone here on earth and we all need to have the faith that He will provide.

PB

[Johann]

A facility in India? C'mon. Give credit where credit is due. The Mcneilus family has given millions to the cause of Christ in other countries around the world as well as here. Just as important, they have given their time and physical labor to help build their wells for clean water, schools, orphanages, and on and on. They seem to be constantly on mission trips to work, build and teach others about Jesus. Just because you don't like those that slander to be sued, you needn't try to minimize the christianity of the Mcneilus's. Their actions speak louder than words.

The sad day has come, especially in North America, when certain Adventists have greater faith in McNeilus than in God. There are indications prayer clans are teaching us to demand things of God rather than asking that His will be done? Is this true faith? Is it more expedient to pray that McNeilus approves our plans and provides his financial blessings?

[PeacefulBe]

The sad day has come, especially in North America, when certain Adventists have greater faith in McNeilus than in God. There are indications prayer clans are teaching us to demand things of God rather than asking that His will be done? Is this true faith? Is it more expedient to pray that McNeilus approves our plans and provides his financial blessings?

Johann,

I remember hearing somewhere (now where was that....?) counsel to pray "Thy will be done". I believe it was counsel from a well known and well connected Teacher with a very wealthy Father.

[Johann]

Johann,

I remember hearing somewhere (now where was that....?) counsel to pray "Thy will be done". I believe it was counsel from a well known and well connected Teacher with a very wealthy Father.

Could a substitute Christianity be associated with the work of anti-Christ?

[runner4him]

A facility in India? C'mon. Give credit where credit is due. The Mcneilus family has given millions to the cause of Christ in other countries around the world as well as here. Just as important, they have given their time and physical labor to help build their wells for clean water, schools, orphanages, and on and on. They seem to be constantly on mission trips to work, build and teach others about Jesus.

Matthew 7:18-23 comes to mind: ......"20: Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."

"21: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

"22: Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?"

"23: And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

Steffan wrote.....Just because you don't like those that slander to be sued, you needn't try to minimize the christianity of the Mcneilus's.

Looks like you had a "Whoops Moment"!

[Pickle]

Excuse me? Yes a facility in India. I know someone personally that has been on mission trips with this man and he ain't nobody to mess with when he wants to control people. If he can't have his way, he will shut things down and pull out his money, or squish you like a bug as my father use to say and do. My dad didn't have as much money as Mcneilus, but I sure watched him take down a pastor and the treasure of his church all behind control, power and money. He even sued me, his own daughter, behind money, control, and because my husband stood up to him MAN to MAN. So where is the christianity in these kind of people? To make a long story short, my dad was so awful that I went to a conference official about his behavior and that person was scared to do anything against him. He had the nerve to tell me that others had complained also and we should just give him his way and move on. Well, God stepped in and I got a phone call one morning saying that he had burned up in his home with all his possessions and my mom died with him. Don't think that I am heartless here, but I cried and was scared to death to ever want to control or harm any of God's people. Heaven is too precious to loose.
I truly believe that God will put no more on us then we can bare and provide a way of escape.

We human beings are pretty stupid. Desperately wicked, in fact. We crave power, wealth, and fame. I doubt anyone is immune from the temptations to lust for such things and then misuse them. Can you imagine how quickly the Lord's work would have been done long ago if the Lord could have trusted us with more of His blessings?

But may your story be a warning to all of us that we stay close to Jesus, whether we have such blessings/curses or not.

[Chez]

Matthew 7:18-23 comes to mind: ......"20: Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."

"21: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

"22: Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?"

"23: And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

You took the words right out of my mouth. AMEN! We can do a lot of good in this world and still be lost. Therefore, all of us must be careful about how we use our time, talents, words, tongue, means, wealth, influence, and whatever God has given us to glorify him and serve others.

[ShellyofTexas]

I gotta tell yall. The lawsuits and the drama are all new to me. Growing up my folks never allowed us to gossip in their house.

P.S. I am not calling you all gossippers. I just would not know about any of this if I hadn't joined this board.