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[PeacefulBe]

Bob,

When we look at 3abn, it is clear that the issues that are now finally being discussed have been present for many years. I can conclude, with a great deal of certainty, that there have been others in leadership, both at 3abn and in our conferences, who have noticed what was going on BUT DID NOT STAND ON PRINCIPLE AND SPEAK UP! Instead and for whatever motivation, they turned a blind eye and allowed the sinful behavior to continue.

I thank God that you, Bob, had the pickles to answer the Holy Spirit's urgings and get involved. Perhaps, as YogusBearus has suggested, there are things have been posted that aren't necessary to convey the issues. On the other hand, some folks may need to see the broader picture in order to understand or even become intrigued enough to even look at the issues in the first place.

Perhaps if a more influential leader had gotten involved earlier, a website like Save3abn.com would not have even been necessary. The bottom line is that no leader chose to get involved but I am proud that Bob did.

PB

[Johann]

This is becoming a great concern to many of us. We must seek Divine guidance and what the Word of God tells us how to deal with this.

Absolutely:

2Co 11:13-15 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. (14) And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. (15) Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

And BTW... one can be "antichrist" without being "THE antichrist".
You mean like you are wont to do in every forum you've ever participated in? Like you when you categorized this forum as a "swamp" and those that frequent this forum as unchristian while saying that you were never going to return to again? Your entire reputation is built on your "judging others"; particularly "others you dont know"... which means the person to whom you need to apply that last statement first... is the one in your mirror.

In His service,
Mr. J

The most dangerous antichrists are the ones who rise up in our own midst.

Although it is true that most criminal cases are tried without any witnesses at all, but evidence is found that shows the facts.
The sad fact in this case though, I feel, is that most of the eyewitnesses to the evil deeds are remaining silent. We, I include myself, are afraid. We have been threatened into silence. I have witnessed immorality up close. It seems some folk don't understand that their actions are viewed by others as very wrong. It must have been normal in the families that they grew up in. Then the supporters of certain people spoken of here on BSDA have been, at least apparently, fed a pack of lies
It was a huge shock to me to have my family threatened over simply asking our friends to PRAY for 3ABN. In this case, no names or events had been mentioned, just simply that prayers were needed. What kind of organization would want to bring folk to ruin over their concern and PRAYERS?
I have lost sleep many a night over real things going on that are very damaging to folk close to me.
The folk on this forum have only touched on the tip of the iceberg. I don't dare tell what is really going on for fear of harm to me or to my family.
The folk who have noticed problems, have been given cause for their concerns.
I am continuing to pray that 3ABN will have a real Christian leader very soon.
Joyce

We must join you in your prayer, Joyce!

Joyce,

If your family has been threatened for asking your friends to pray for 3abn, those doing the threatening must think you know something that could harm their image. The concern for your family that you have expressed here shows me that what Bob Pickle and Gailon Joy are doing is of vital importance.

Do you have anyone you can turn to for protection? Are there other family and friends that can help to keep your family safe? Don't try to go this alone!

PB

Who will be our protector in this final crisis?

Hi,

I haven't read everything, but it seems to me that Bro. Pickle is being sued by a an organization that has huge resources of money at their disposal.

The threats seem to indicate that he will be hauled through a process in which he will loose his home and everything.

As far as I can tell Bro. Pickle has not gossiped but tried to get the facts and documentations for everything to see what the REAL story is.
Of all people he should not be the one sued for libel.

Just wondering is there a fund being started or some other method of help so people like those on this forum who have confirmed by their own stories concerning these things, as well as others, could support this man so he won't loose everything because he wanted TRUTH?

Possibly this has been discussed previously, but I haven't seen it.

Thanks

You are touching what I believe to be a central point in what Adventists believe will take place at the very end before the return of Jesus. There will be persecution, and I will say more about that below.

Thank you Pickle for the above information. None of us would want you to lose your home even for a good cause. We can pass the word around and those who are able can start sending monies to the above defense account. Praying for both you and Joy.

What is happening these days brings clear to my mind some of the things Dr. Emmet.K VandeVere once told us in his class at Emmanuel Missionary College at Berrien Sprins, more that 50 years ago. In American history and government he started talking about how persecution of Christians could come about in this great land of liberty. This professor insisted that considering the American Constitution the prophecies of future persecution would be fulfilled in the courts of this great country. Not by the police dragging Christians to court, but by individuals suing each other. With more and more efficient lawyers people would be sued for doing what they claimed to be their God-given duty. The unholy wealthy ones, claiming to be saints, would successfully take homes and property, and everything else, from those they considered their enemies. In this way Satan would attempt to destroy the church.

The most saint-like hide their evil by attacking those who will not approve of their evil doings.

Friends, look up. Whom do we trust? He will deliver us in this hour of persecution! Perhaps not our property, but He will save us for eternal life by faith in Jesus Christ. Which has greater value?

This post has been edited by Johann: May 22 2007, 05:26 PM

[Daryl Fawcett]

Pickle,

Feel free to post that Legal Defense Fund link in a similar topic over at Maritime SDA OnLine. I would do it myself, however, copying the link from here will not work for some reason.

[Pickle]

Done.

[PrincessDrRe]

Thank you Pickle for the above information. None of us would want you to lose your home even for a good cause. We can pass the word around and those who are able can start sending monies to the above defense account. Praying for both you and Joy.

....and knowing that ALL THINGS (even this) work together for good....

Amen!

[dedication]

Observer wrote; May 22, 2007 10:42 a.m.
1) It is outside of the practical to believe that any such fund could finance the defense for Bob Pickle. We would have to raise $50,000 to $60,000 to be effective.

Gregory,

2) I talked with the senior counsel (something like that) at my insurance policy's underwriter, and discovered that I am not covered for this kind of thing.

3) Sometimes lawyers do take on cases in which they might not get paid, and I would say that this is one of them. At the suggestion of BearTrap, a legal defense fund has been set up by Attorney Laird Heal, and the link he provided for that is https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_...charset=UTF%2d8. He told me a net of about $280 has come in thus far, after the PayPal fees were deducted from the $300.

My original suggestion to BearTrap was that if there was money left over, that it go toward an evangelistic project.
Dedication,

By the way, if I lose my home, I figure it's for a good cause.

It would be impractical only if a handful of people were to help. But if MANY would give just a little that little would multiply and ease a great burden on those being taken to court.



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[Fran]

It would be impractical only if a handful of people were to help. But if MANY would give just a little that little would multiply and ease a great burden on those being taken to court.
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If 3ABN can raise millions from the poor, so can our cause! I don't have any money, but I will give what I can spare every month for sure. My contributions aren't big, but if put with everyone else's pennies, we can surely hit $50,000 - $60,000!

However, I am afraid that estimate is going to be a bit low. Lawyers cost more that that!

Bob, what is it going to take to keep you and Gailon safe in all aspects?

Folks, dig even deeper than before. Let's get this over with!

Thank you Gailon and Bob, for doing what we could not!

[Pickle]

I have no idea what it's going to cost.

Besides attorney fees, you have court costs and all the costs involved in depositions and such. You can imagine that if all of that is done right and thorough, it will cost a bit.

[Daryl Fawcett]

Isn't there something in place in the judicial system to protect people from the costs inflicted from lawsuits, especially if they lose the lawsuit?

In other words, can't the judge charge the one making the lawsuit to pay damages/costs to the ones named in the lawsuit?

[Pickle]

I think so, but whether that requires a countersuit or not I do not know.

[mozart]

Can't you put court costs etc. in your counterclaim?

I have no idea what it's going to cost.

Besides attorney fees, you have court costs and all the costs involved in depositions and such. You can imagine that if all of that is done right and thorough, it will cost a bit.

[Pickle]

I would think so. But I'd rather see them just pay for it instead of having to file a counterclaim.

[Artiste]

Gregory,

2) I talked with the senior counsel (something like that) at my insurance policy's underwriter, and discovered that I am not covered for this kind of thing.

3) Sometimes lawyers do take on cases in which they might not get paid, and I would say that this is one of them. At the suggestion of BearTrap, a legal defense fund has been set up by Attorney Laird Heal, and the link he provided for that is https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_...charset=UTF%2d8. He told me a net of about $280 has come in thus far, after the PayPal fees were deducted from the $300.

My original suggestion to BearTrap was that if there was money left over, that it go toward an evangelistic project.
Dedication,

By the way, if I lose my home, I figure it's for a good cause.

Would it be possible to have an easier link to access--such as legaldefensefunds.com or some such thing?

[Artiste]

Legal defense fund for those sued by 3ABN! Paypal is easy to use! Just click on the link below and everyone can donate a little. Think of all the funds 3ABN has raised from small donations. We can do better!

Gregory,

2) I talked with the senior counsel (something like that) at my insurance policy's underwriter, and discovered that I am not covered for this kind of thing.

3) Sometimes lawyers do take on cases in which they might not get paid, and I would say that this is one of them. At the suggestion of BearTrap, a legal defense fund has been set up by Attorney Laird Heal, and the link he provided for that is http://www.Pickle-Publishing.com/defensefund.htm. He told me a net of about $280 has come in thus far, after the PayPal fees were deducted from the $300.

My original suggestion to BearTrap was that if there was money left over, that it go toward an evangelistic project.
Dedication,

By the way, if I lose my home, I figure it's for a good cause.

This post has been edited by Artiste: May 23 2007, 09:46 PM

[Pickle]

Would it be possible to have an easier link to access--such as legaldefensefunds.com or some such thing?

Hmm. I wonder if http://www.Pickle-Publishing.com/defensefund.htm might do the trick. What do you think?

This post has been edited by Pickle: May 23 2007, 07:50 PM