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[Skyhook]

Speaking of media exploiting stereotypes, Hee Haw was especially egregious. It seemed to be patterned after Laugh In and pandered to the dumb hillbilly stereotype with a little touch of vulgarity thrown in. Probably not as much vulgarity as Laugh In. I'm sure some of the famous country music stars who allowed themselves to be used like that were very well paid, but I wonder how they felt about it.
It was said to be one of the 2 most widely watched syndicated TV shows in history, at least at the time. The other one was The Lawerence Welk Show. Does that say something about American taste or what!

This post has been edited by Skyhook: Jun 10 2007, 10:35 PM

[mikell]

Yes, you're right, Clay!

Being that anyone can say almost anything, I will continue saying what I think (at least I hope so...)
Well?...

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Well, what about it, 3ABN?

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Artiste, good question. What we are dealing with here is apples and oranges. Yes, everyone has the Constitution right of “freedom of speech” to say what they what to say, but not to do what they want to do. SaveGailon site says whatever they want. Can 3ABN do whatever they want to do?

Can they raise founds telling the people it is for missions, and yet spend their money on Lear Jet type plane – the Cessna Citation costing millions of their dollars? As the leaders of the GC and NAD who have to fly commercial, could not Danny do that also?

True, getting to an airport two hours before flights, like the other leaders do of our Church; might be a hardship to Danny, but just think of the millions of donors dollars will be best spent diverted to advance the Everlasting Gospel rather Danny and his cronies on his private jet. Back to the issue here, yes freedom of say, but not the freedom to con. Something to think about, jm(humble)o.

[justme]

Artiste, good question. What we are dealing with here is apples and oranges. Yes, everyone has the Constitution right of “freedom of speech” to say what they what to say, but not to do what they want to do. SaveGailon site says whatever they want. Can 3ABN do whatever they want to do?

Can they raise funds telling the people it is for missions, and yet spend their money on Lear Jet type plane – the Cessna Citation costing millions of their dollars? As the leaders of the GC and NAD who have to fly commercial, could not Danny do that also?

True, getting to an airport two hours before flights, like the other leaders do of our Church; might be a hardship to Danny, but just think of the millions of donors dollars will be best spent diverted to advance the Everlasting Gospel rather Danny and his cronies on his private jet. Back to the issue here, yes freedom of say, but not the freedom to con. Something to think about, jm(humble)o. :)

Some of my favorite stories have come from our church leaders and evangelists who have been flying commercial airlines. They relate stories of conversations that took place as they sat in their seat next to a stranger. Some of those conversations have resulted in conversions.

Some of those conversations have opened the eyes of our evangelists to the real important issues that troubled souls do experience "out there in the world".

Those who provide their own transportation often miss these intimate experiences; the kinds of experiences that Jesus had while "rubbing shoulders" with "the common man". Those who control every aspect of their life miss out on what is "true and painful in the life of the average soul".

And they miss the opportunity to witness on a personal level without that person ever knowing the (perhaps, lofty) position our man holds. I challenge every witness of Jesus to give a personal witness WITHOUT ever mentioning that one is "President of Blah Blah Blah". But just be humble, to be a friend to the stranger. To shut oneself up in a private world and elevate oneself apart from the "man on the street" is a denial of one's calling before God.

Of course Jesus did not have a jet to help Him travel about. Although His ministry was far more important. He COULD have asked angels to fly Him from place to place. Instead He chose humility. He chose to move about in the midst of those to whom He came to minister. (In contrast to another "anointed one" who loves to point out that he, too, was a carpenter. Some are more like a "wood butcher") Having been a carpenter is no guarantee of having been called by God to do His work on earth. Even having been called does not justify arrogance and "a haughty look /attitude".

If the GC is taking notice and taking action to correct relationships with supporting ministries, then maybe the "tithe" that "self-interested", sorry, "self-supporting" ministries claim they have a right to, ... maybe those tithes and offerings will start going BACK to the SDA church. Do any of the "self-interested", ooops, did it again, "self supporting" ministries still have the feeling that they have a right to the tithes and offerings of church members?

Ministries do accept tithes and at least one of them "justifies" it by saying that there are "more pie$ in the refrigerator".

How long will people support con men who uses our "3 favorite last day messages" to milk us of God's funds? Then $pend, willy nilly while putting a spin on God's last day messages. Instead of just naming minitstries after the last day messages, how about living an example to us by actually LIVING IT!

Babylon in a 'masque" has crept in somewhere along the way into the minds and lives of God's children. The children to whom He gave a sobering message. Abandon the ways of the world! Do not seek power, do not seek wealth, do not seek admiration, do not be indulgent, do not be vengeful, do not be arrogant.

Be humble, be sacrificial, be contrite, be holy, be penitent, be available to God, be industrious, be a peacemaker, be forgiving, be harmless as a dove, be smart as a serpent without acting as one.

We are thrilled to see 3ABN back on Sky Angel. Pray to get Babylon, in all it's forms, out of there.

Oh, how I miss the days of "mending hearts and broken people". Gone forever!

Question: Would you $upport the GC if they/it established rule$ for "$elf-$upporting" ministries to follow before they could call themselves "church $upporting" ministries? What should those rules say? Do you think they could be followed or enforced? Should it be in the form of a logo? or a written-endorsement-line that ministries could diplay?

Would it be enough to withdraw $upport from those who go from "Self-Supporting" to "Self-Righteous", and on to "Self-Interested"?

[Noahswife]

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Those who provide their own transportation often miss these intimate experiences; the kinds of experiences that Jesus had while "rubbing shoulders" with "the common man". Those who control every aspect of their life miss out on what is "true and painful in the life of the average soul".

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Question: Would you $upport the GC if they/it established rule$ for "$elf-$upporting" ministries to follow before they could call themselves "church $upporting" ministries? What should those rules say? Do you think they could be followed or enforced? Should it be in the form of a logo? or a written-endorsement-line that ministries could diplay?

Would it be enough to withdraw $upport from those who go from "Self-Supporting" to "Self-Righteous", and on to "Self-Interested"?

Just me

Thank you for your post and questions. There are so many ideas here but I will respond to two of them.

There are many business books that recommend that businessmen fly commercial and sometimes for business purposes preferably first class for the very reason that one has opportunities to meet others and network that one would never have otherwise. I find your point in that regard is very well taken and not one I had really thought about before. As someone who traveled extensively for business for many years I did sympathize with DS and the hassles of commercial travel as well the weariness that comes from driving long distances to catch a plane.

As for some type of criteria for approval of these ministries? I for one have absolutely no idea what has been done in the past in this area. Does anyone else? IF not, it sure sounds like an excellent proposal. I wonder if we the common people would have ideas or suggestions some at ASI might not?

This post has been edited by Noahswife: Jun 12 2007, 10:45 AM

[runner4him]

Some of my favorite stories have come from our church leaders and evangelists who have been flying commercial airlines. They relate stories of conversations that took place as they sat in their seat next to a stranger. Some of those conversations have resulted in conversions.

Some of those conversations have opened the eyes of our evangelists to the real important issues that troubled souls do experience "out there in the world".

Those who provide their own transportation often miss these intimate experiences; the kinds of experiences that Jesus had while "rubbing shoulders" with "the common man". Those who control every aspect of their life miss out on what is "true and painful in the life of the average soul".

And they miss the opportunity to witness on a personal level without that person ever knowing the (perhaps, lofty) position our man holds. I challenge every witness of Jesus to give a personal witness WITHOUT ever mentioning that one is "President of Blah Blah Blah". But just be humble, to be a friend to the stranger. To shut oneself up in a private world and elevate oneself apart from the "man on the street" is a denial of one's calling before God.

Of course Jesus did not have a jet to help Him travel about. Although His ministry was far more important. He COULD have asked angels to fly Him from place to place. Instead He chose humility. He chose to move about in the midst of those to whom He came to minister. (In contrast to another "anointed one" who loves to point out that he, too, was a carpenter. Some are more like a "wood butcher") Having been a carpenter is no guarantee of having been called by God to do His work on earth. Even having been called does not justify arrogance and "a haughty look

Very good post, Justme! These are things that many will be thinking about in the future and hopefully many will avoid making the same mistake of helping to build up a very powerful ministry headed by a man and a board who seek to put the stamp of approval on just about anything as long as the "end justifies the means". I guess the only real power the church member has is the pocketbook and we need to keep that in mind.

[mikell]

Some of my favorite stories have come from our church leaders and evangelists who have been flying commercial airlines. They relate stories of conversations that took place as they sat in their seat next to a stranger. Some of those conversations have resulted in conversions.

Some of those conversations have opened the eyes of our evangelists to the real important issues that troubled souls do experience "out there in the world".

Those who provide their own transportation often miss these intimate experiences; the kinds of experiences that Jesus had while "rubbing shoulders" with "the common man". Those who control every aspect of their life miss out on what is "true and painful in the life of the average soul".

And they miss the opportunity to witness on a personal level without that person ever knowing the (perhaps, lofty) position our man holds. I challenge every witness of Jesus to give a personal witness WITHOUT ever mentioning that one is "President of Blah Blah Blah". But just be humble, to be a friend to the stranger. To shut oneself up in a private world and elevate oneself apart from the "man on the street" is a denial of one's calling before God.

Of course Jesus did not have a jet to help Him travel about. Although His ministry was far more important. He COULD have asked angels to fly Him from place to place. Instead He chose humility. He chose to move about in the midst of those to whom He came to minister. (In contrast to another "anointed one" who loves to point out that he, too, was a carpenter. Some are more like a "wood butcher") Having been a carpenter is no guarantee of having been called by God to do His work on earth. Even having been called does not justify arrogance and "a haughty look /attitude".

If the GC is taking notice and taking action to correct relationships with supporting ministries, then maybe the "tithe" that "self-interested", sorry, "self-supporting" ministries claim they have a right to, ... maybe those tithes and offerings will start going BACK to the SDA church. Do any of the "self-interested", ooops, did it again, "self supporting" ministries still have the feeling that they have a right to the tithes and offerings of church members?

Ministries do accept tithes and at least one of them "justifies" it by saying that there are "more pie$ in the refrigerator".

How long will people support con men who uses our "3 favorite last day messages" to milk us of God's funds? Then $pend, willy nilly while putting a spin on God's last day messages. Instead of just naming minitstries after the last day messages, how about living an example to us by actually LIVING IT!

Babylon in a 'masque" has crept in somewhere along the way into the minds and lives of God's children. The children to whom He gave a sobering message. Abandon the ways of the world! Do not seek power, do not seek wealth, do not seek admiration, do not be indulgent, do not be vengeful, do not be arrogant.

Be humble, be sacrificial, be contrite, be holy, be penitent, be available to God, be industrious, be a peacemaker, be forgiving, be harmless as a dove, be smart as a serpent without acting as one.

We are thrilled to see 3ABN back on Sky Angel. Pray to get Babylon, in all it's forms, out of there.

Oh, how I miss the days of "mending hearts and broken people". Gone forever!

Question: Would you $upport the GC if they/it established rule$ for "$elf-$upporting" ministries to follow before they could call themselves "church $upporting" ministries? What should those rules say? Do you think they could be followed or enforced? Should it be in the form of a logo? or a written-endorsement-line that ministries could diplay?

Would it be enough to withdraw $upport from those who go from "Self-Supporting" to "Self-Righteous", and on to "Self-Interested"?

justme, you should write a BOOK! That was good. I flown many commercial flights witness to others sitting next to me. I just love your, Freudian slips, "'self-interested', sorry, 'self-supporting' ministries." I sure would support the GC, more so if the did establishe "rule$ for '$elft-$upporting' ministries." I like your ideas,

[Seraphim7]

[runner4him]

Wow. I wish I were shocked, but having been on this board with the danny fingers, it looks like they're poking around somewhere else. Clearly the work of the same folks. I guess they wanted a one-way conversation.

Before I had accused them of being on the payroll of 3ABN. But this blog does not work to support 3ABN. Kinda ... dirty. Sheesh. Is this the best they can do?

I just went to the savegailon site to look it over and my first reaction was shock! I guess I should not be... but I just cannot imagine anyone saying this kind of stuff about anyone! The site is absolutely terrible.... trashing a number of individuals. How could anyone stoop so low? This does not look good for 3abn to have someone like this on their side and putting out this kind of PR. They can forget the ones they might think are their enemies and concentrate on the so called "friends" who are destroying them. So sad to see.

[PeacefulBe]

r4h,

The important phrase is "so-called friends" because we really don't know which "side" has created this site. It could be a demented supporter thinking they are helping 3abn, it could be demented antagonist who somehow thinks this will wound 3abn and it could be a demented comedian from neither "side" who is trying to make a statement of some kind.

My opinion is to simply avoid this demented site.

[mozart]

i totally agree PB. i still haven't even gone there. the comments you guys have made about it are enough to tell me there's nothing there i want to see. sounds to me like a demented jokester from neither side; not a Christian either. just someone making fun of those of us who take this seriously whichever side we are on. it's not worth putting that filth in our minds just out of curiousity. the devil has a way of bringing those words and images back to us. we must remember "what we behold, we become".

r4h,

The important phrase is "so-called friends" because we really don't know which "side" has created this site. It could be a demented supporter thinking they are helping 3abn, it could be demented antagonist who somehow thinks this will wound 3abn and it could be a demented comedian from neither "side" who is trying to make a statement of some kind.

My opinion is to simply avoid this demented site.

[Fran]

r4h,

The important phrase is "so-called friends" because we really don't know which "side" has created this site. It could be a demented supporter thinking they are helping 3abn, it could be demented antagonist who somehow thinks this will wound 3abn and it could be a demented comedian from neither "side" who is trying to make a statement of some kind.

My opinion is to simply avoid this demented site.

Yeah! What you said!

[Artiste]

i totally agree PB. i still haven't even gone there. the comments you guys have made about it are enough to tell me there's nothing there i want to see. sounds to me like a demented jokester from neither side; not a Christian either. just someone making fun of those of us who take this seriously whichever side we are on. it's not worth putting that filth in our minds just out of curiousity. the devil has a way of bringing those words and images back to us. we must remember "what we behold, we become".

The reason I lean towards the SaveGailon site being put out by the 3ABN camp is that someone who was not closely connected to this whole complex progression of events would have had to spend an extensive period of time reviewing save3abn and BSDA as well as coming up with the appropriate Bible and SOP quotes that are sprinkled throughout.

Someone is providing this material who seems to have a close connection with and cares deeply about the subjects here. They also seem to keep up with events that are happening.

I get the impression that the more recent and increased attacks on LS might be connected to her current publicized appearances, speaking and singing.


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[runner4him]

The reason I lean towards the SaveGailon site being put out by the 3ABN camp is that someone who was not closely connected to this whole complex progression of events would have had to spend an extensive period of time reviewing save3abn and BSDA as well as coming up with the appropriate Bible and SOP quotes that are sprinkled throughout.

Someone is providing this material who seems to have a close connection with and cares deeply about the subjects here. They also seem to keep up with events that are happening.

I get the impression that the more recent and increased attacks on LS might be connected to her current publicized appearances, speaking and singing.


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I agree with you Artiste. At first I dismissed it all until I saw all the documents posted everywhere with detailed information about B.Kerr and LS.

I know an individual who wrote to 3abn about the site...they wanted to know if 3abn was behind the site and they wanted 3abn to make a statement against the site. The response was something like "I can only say that I do not know....it definitly is not a production of 3abn....I do not know and cannot say whether supporters of 3abn may be involved, but that is beyond our control". From my friend's information, (per the response she got from 3abn)....W.T.'s wife is keeping up with the posts...reading them I mean. I am NOT implying that she is responsible for the site in any way but I took the comment to mean that she is keeping up with all the information that is out there.

This post has been edited by runner4him: Jun 20 2007, 05:47 AM

[Artiste]

...they wanted 3abn to make a statement against the site. The response was something like "I can only say that I do not know....it definitly is not a production of 3abn....I do not know and cannot say whether supporters of 3abn may be involved, but that is beyond our control".

Very interesting!


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[Rosyroi]

I agree with you Artiste. At first I dismissed it all until I saw all the documents posted everywhere with detailed information about B.Kerr and LS.

I know an individual who wrote to 3abn about the site...they wanted to know if 3abn was behind the site and they wanted 3abn to make a statement against the site. The response was something like "I can only say that I do not know....it definitly is not a production of 3abn....I do not know and cannot say whether supporters of 3abn may be involved, but that is beyond our control". From my friend's information, (per the response she got from 3abn)....W.T.'s wife is keeping up with the posts...reading them I mean.

It appears to me that 3ABN admin don't seem to be too upset or unhappy the site is out there.
jmho
Rosyroi