Larry Romrell: Adventist Connections? Options

[Ozzie]

SSOM If I were you I would let Gailon post these humiliating tirades himself. Unless you are Gailon. Reading this and the other post he made about the Pickle/Joy fund leaves me speechless. How can anyone that rants and raves with such smugness and arrogance be taken seriously that they truly are working for the cause of Christ? He has claimed over and over that his motives are only to help the 3abn ministry. Then he writes this kind of stuff and worse with such a gleeful and condescending spirit. Everytime he writes heresay about anyone connected to 3abn or the Shelton family, he is proving that he delights in hurting the ministry and those associated with it. He is also proving that he doesn't have anything verifiable against the ministry itself or he wouldn't be spending time on all of the other tabloid attacks that he publishes. Where has he shown this self proclaimed spirit of love that he has for the ministry. He named his site Save 3abn. Someone explain to me what has he done over the course of many months to Save 3abn? He claims all he wanted was to see a change in administration.

And... you don't beleive them? And... what you say is more credible?

If Joy and Pickle truly had a burden that something was amiss at 3abn and they wanted to help make it right, I disagree, but, I can respect that. Instead, they have done nothing but intentionally and publically hurt anyone associated with 3abn. They have smeared reputations, hurt families, destroyed hopes for the future , hurt the cause of Christ and countless other atrocities I won't go into.

But, it's OK for Danny to publicly lie about his wife (not the one he is currently living with) on air, to world-wide audiances?

Brothers and Sisters, you have allegated over and over that 3abn has not handled this whole situation in the correct way. You have attacked, ridiculed and repeated that point over and over. How then, can you not do the same concerning Pickle and Joy and the catastrophic destruction they have left in their path. This is not about saving 3abn. This has not been done in a Christlike spirit, in fact, just the opposite. Every article or email that Joy writes only proves what I am saying. You would have to be blind not to see the arrogance, conceit and pure joy in hurting others.

Your opinion alone?

I pray for 3abn. I also pray for conviction on the heart's of Gailon and Bob to stop these uneccessary personal attacks and get to the heart of the matter if they think that is their calling. Anything beyond that, the calling is not from God.

Do you also pray that Danny and the Board will be openly honest at last? And... you decide what is from God and what is not?

Has anyone noticed the number of Dannyfinger posts today? Been quite BORING actually

[beartrap]

All this glee about Linda having to pay Danny's attorneys over lies or misrepresentation told to the court by lawyers who were fired for it, reminds me... Danny and 3ABN's lawsuit blatantly lied to the court. It said that 3ABN has no affiliation with any denomination, and that its programming is non denominational. Maybe Joy has a point there when he talks about being paid for misuse of process. Apparently, as per Linda's case, it doesn't matter if it was the lawyers who said it, and not the pleadant, the pleadant, it would apear, is still responsible for the lawyer's lies, and has to pay.

[Snoopy]

APPLETREE!!!! Where are you????

This is a serious question to which I would appreciate a serious answer.

For folks who thought they were contributing to an SDA ministry, WHAT IS THE PROCESS TO GET THEIR DONATIONS REFUNDED???

appletree.....panther......lee....... Has my question hit a sore spot?????

It appears that you both have plenty of time to attack other posts here but neither one of you can answer my question. Should the gullible SDA donors just call Larry Ewing????

Please respond!!!

[beartrap]

appletree.....panther......lee....... Has my question hit a sore spot?????

It appears that you both have plenty of time to attack other posts here but neither one of you can answer my question. Should the gullible SDA donors just call Larry Ewing????

Please respond!!!

Sorry Snoopy, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Yes, many SDAs donated to 3ABN thinking they were donating to an Adventist ministry, but now 3ABN has put in legal court documents a statement that makes clear that they are not affiliated with the SDA church in any way, and that their programming is not SDA, as that would be denominational. Reminds me of a verse that talks about those who say they are Jews and are not, but are of the synagogue of Satan. It also reminds me of Peter's denial of Christ when it came to a court of law.

[Dona]

Google works the same for everyone...

In His service,
Mr. J

Then lets hope that all do a search and prove to themselves the truth of the matter.... that there is no such record.

Dona

[Artiste]

appletree.....panther......lee....... Has my question hit a sore spot?????

It appears that you both have plenty of time to attack other posts here but neither one of you can answer my question. Should the gullible SDA donors just call Larry Ewing????

Please respond!!!

You might ask the question of Dona, also.


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[Dona]

You might ask the question of Dona, also.
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I honestly do not understand why all the hue and cry about donations to 3ABN. We are supposed to donate according to where the Lord leads us to give. Donations to 3ABN helps take the gospel message all over the world in a way that no other is doing to such a degree. We should be thankful and praising God that in these last days He has allowed us such a means to finish the work given us. I have watched the programming and have found it to be of the top most quality in biblical content and presentation. I have seen multitudes clamoring to hear more, yearning for Bibles, churches and schools and so many baptisms. I have seen the work being done to send Bibles and the building of churches and schools. I have seen more and more satellites, cable systems, etc. that continue to be added to reach more and more people. Quite frankly I am in awe at how God can do so much through 3ABN.

Oh I know how some are thinking. I have been aware for some time. But when I read where some believe the donations are not used wisely I also can see that they really have no solid proof for their accusations. I have also noted that those who stand up for the truth concerning 3ABN and have given proof are not heeded. For instance how many times and ways can one say that donations from the viewers do not pay for legal fees and that a few donors gave for that specific cause and it still goes unheeded?

If anyone is lead to donate to 3ABN then let God lead those to whom it was given. We each have a part to do for the Lord and are only responsible for that part. It is not our responsibility to tell others what they should do with the blessings God has given them.

If God leads you to give, then give and let go. If He doesn’t lead you to give, then don’t.

Dona

[Dona]

I am sorry for the double post. I was having trouble with the connection between me and the forum and I got a message that said the page was not there. Please remove one of them. Thank you. Dona

[Aletheia]

I honestly do not understand why all the hue and cry about donations to 3ABN. We are supposed to donate according to where the Lord leads us to give. Donations to 3ABN helps take the gospel message all over the world in a way that no other is doing to such a degree. We should be thankful and praising God that in these last days He has allowed us such a means to finish the work given us. I have watched the programming and have found it to be of the top most quality in biblical content and presentation. I have seen multitudes clamoring to hear more, yearning for Bibles, churches and schools and so many baptisms. I have seen the work being done to send Bibles and the building of churches and schools. I have seen more and more satellites, cable systems, etc. that continue to be added to reach more and more people. Quite frankly I am in awe at how God can do so much through 3ABN.

Oh I know how some are thinking. I have been aware for some time. But when I read where some believe the donations are not used wisely I also can see that they really have no solid proof for their accusations. I have also noted that those who stand up for the truth concerning 3ABN and have given proof are not heeded. For instance how many times and ways can one say that donations from the viewers do not pay for legal fees and that a few donors gave for that specific cause and it still goes unheeded?

If anyone is lead to donate to 3ABN then let God lead those to whom it was given. We each have a part to do for the Lord and are only responsible for that part. It is not our responsibility to tell others what they should do with the blessings God has given them.

If God leads you to give, then give and let go. If He doesn’t lead you to give, then don’t.

Dona

Well stated. Thank you.

[SoulEspresso]

I have watched the programming and have found it to be of the top most quality in biblical content ...

I'm delighted when people come to church from watching 3ABN. This is a very good thing.

Unfortunately they have to unlearn some things once they get there ... it's not all bad, but it is quite mixed.

This post has been edited by SoulEspresso: Aug 29 2007, 07:50 AM

[awesumtenor]

I honestly do not understand why all the hue and cry about donations to 3ABN. We are supposed to donate according to where the Lord leads us to give. Donations to 3ABN helps take the gospel message all over the world in a way that no other is doing to such a degree. We should be thankful and praising God that in these last days He has allowed us such a means to finish the work given us. I have watched the programming and have found it to be of the top most quality in biblical content and presentation. I have seen multitudes clamoring to hear more, yearning for Bibles, churches and schools and so many baptisms. I have seen the work being done to send Bibles and the building of churches and schools. I have seen more and more satellites, cable systems, etc. that continue to be added to reach more and more people. Quite frankly I am in awe at how God can do so much through 3ABN.

Oh I know how some are thinking. I have been aware for some time. But when I read where some believe the donations are not used wisely I also can see that they really have no solid proof for their accusations. I have also noted that those who stand up for the truth concerning 3ABN and have given proof are not heeded. For instance how many times and ways can one say that donations from the viewers do not pay for legal fees and that a few donors gave for that specific cause and it still goes unheeded?

If anyone is lead to donate to 3ABN then let God lead those to whom it was given. We each have a part to do for the Lord and are only responsible for that part. It is not our responsibility to tell others what they should do with the blessings God has given them.

If God leads you to give, then give and let go. If He doesn’t lead you to give, then don’t.

Dona

You have not yet addressed the actual question at hand... if one feels they have been hoodwinked into giving... or if the purpose for which they donated ceases to be, what is the process for them to get that money back?

If you give money to your local church, say for building fund, and the church decides that it is not going to erect or purchase a new building, the church is obligated to ask each person who gave to that cause what they would like done with their donation... and if the giver wants his money returned they have to return it. The church cannot unilaterally choose to use the money for a purpose for which it was not donated.

In His service,
Mr. J

[Aletheia]

APPLETREE!!!! Where are you????

This is a serious question to which I would appreciate a serious answer.

For folks who thought they were contributing to an SDA ministry, WHAT IS THE PROCESS TO GET THEIR DONATIONS REFUNDED???

appletree.....panther......lee....... Has my question hit a sore spot?????

It appears that you both have plenty of time to attack other posts here but neither one of you can answer my question. Should the gullible SDA donors just call Larry Ewing????

Please respond!!!

Well of course 3ABN is a SDA ministry, haven't you all justified this ruckus you've raised, and claimed the reason you are so concerned and involved in trying to bring changes about is because 3ABN is the "face of Seventh-Day Adventism"???

You didn't ask me your question, but I would think you already know you can't take offerings and donations back whether given to a mission, a ministry, or even your local Church

And your question raises another in my mind of why you or another would really want to? who led you to give to begin with? God?

He doesn't make mistakes.

Were you blessed by Him for giving? Would you give that back if you could get your refund?

Nuff said?

This post has been edited by Aletheia: Aug 29 2007, 08:10 AM

[Johann]

Well of course 3ABN is a SDA ministry, haven't you all justified this ruckus you've raised, and claimed the reason you are so concerned and involved in trying to bring changes about is because 3ABN is the "face of Seventh-Day Adventism"???

You didn't ask me your question, but I would think you already know you can't take offerings and donations back whether given to a mission, a ministry, or even your local Church

And your question raises another in my mind of why you or another would really want to? who led you to give to begin with? God?

He doesn't make mistakes.

Were you blessed by Him for giving? Would you give that back if you could get your refund?

Nuff said?

God does not make mistakes, but people make mistakes. And people make use of that by asking for donations in the name of God, so people think they are supporting the Lord, when in reality they are supporting someone's selfish ambitions.

Even yesterday a young girl knocked on doors asking for contributions, and people gave. Then the sweet young girl asked if she could use the bathroom for a moment. She searched the bathroom for valuables or money which she stole, and people did not discover until later what she had done.

Who was blessed by whom?

This post has been edited by Johann: Aug 29 2007, 08:22 AM

[Aletheia]

God does not make mistakes, but people make mistakes. And people make use of that by asking for donations in the name of God, so people think they are supporting the Lord, when in reality they are supporting someone's selfish ambitions.

Even yesterday a young girl knocked on doors asking for contributions, and people gave. Then the sweet young girl asked if she could use the bathroom for a moment. She searched the bathroom for valuables or money which she stole, and people did not discover until later what she had done.

Who was blessed by whom?

Too much is unknown to answer that.

Who knows how the Lord is at work behind the scenes, or whether these people were following God's will or their own, or even whether they or the girl might have some lesson to learn???

I'm sorry. I don't like taking God out of the equation, Johann.

If someone is not following the Lord, or asking him to lead before acting, speaking or giving, then of course they will make mistakes, and errors in judgment.

Isa 55:8 -11 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

If you listen to and follow the Lord after asking him where to give of your time, energy, money and prayers, you can't go wrong. He will never lead us astray.

[princessdi]

The funds were solicited under false pretenses. Some who would never, ever donate to Joel Olsteen because he is not SDA, but to It Is Written, Breath of Life, Voice of Prophecy, Amazing Facts because they are SDA, and they believe in spreading the SDA's unigue message. They gave and viewer supported 3ABN becuase they thought it was another SDA ministry spreading the uniquely SDA Three Angel's Message, as inferred in their name and programming. They are either SDA or they are not. Right now legally they proclaim themselves to be nondenominational. They should solicit funds from audiences who don't mind contributing to Non denominational ministries, and change their programming, becuase it is part of the scam to get SDAs to donate to a non denominational ministry, which they have been doing for 20+ years----put simply, they lied.

Now, you have a chance to be really useful. Go back and find out, as Snoopy asked, where those who would like to get a refund can send their requests. Some might not want to make the request, but in an attempt to be honest, 3ABN needs to provide for those want a refund.

I honestly do not understand why all the hue and cry about donations to 3ABN. We are supposed to donate according to where the Lord leads us to give. Donations to 3ABN helps take the gospel message all over the world in a way that no other is doing to such a degree. We should be thankful and praising God that in these last days He has allowed us such a means to finish the work given us. I have watched the programming and have found it to be of the top most quality in biblical content and presentation. I have seen multitudes clamoring to hear more, yearning for Bibles, churches and schools and so many baptisms. I have seen the work being done to send Bibles and the building of churches and schools. I have seen more and more satellites, cable systems, etc. that continue to be added to reach more and more people. Quite frankly I am in awe at how God can do so much through 3ABN.

Oh I know how some are thinking. I have been aware for some time. But when I read where some believe the donations are not used wisely I also can see that they really have no solid proof for their accusations. I have also noted that those who stand up for the truth concerning 3ABN and have given proof are not heeded. For instance how many times and ways can one say that donations from the viewers do not pay for legal fees and that a few donors gave for that specific cause and it still goes unheeded?

If anyone is lead to donate to 3ABN then let God lead those to whom it was given. We each have a part to do for the Lord and are only responsible for that part. It is not our responsibility to tell others what they should do with the blessings God has given them.

If God leads you to give, then give and let go. If He doesn’t lead you to give, then don’t.

Dona