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> Just Curious, Where are you at on the 3abn thingy…?
Assuming you have an opinion on the ongoing 3ABN saga, what is your position on the following?
The allegation about 3ABN that most concerns me is:
The alleged questionable divorce/remarriage of President Danny Shelton. [ 10 ] ** [21.28%]
The disparaging public and private comments made by President Danny Shelton and 3ABN representatives about his ex-wife Linda Shelton. [ 7 ] ** [14.89%]
The alleged questionable use of donor funds on luxuries such as the 3ABN jet(s). [ 1 ] ** [2.13%]
The alleged enrichment of Danny Shelton through accounting “slight of hands” such as the book publishing arrangement for the 10 commandment events. [ 3 ] ** [6.38%]
The alleged questionable personal financial conduct of President Danny Shelton in taking improper tax deductions. [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
The alleged sexual predatory practices of a leader of 3ABN. [ 5 ] ** [10.64%]
The alleged cover up by President Danny Shelton and/or the 3ABN Board of Directors of the alleged sexual predatory issues above. [ 19 ] ** [40.43%]
3ABN programming is becoming increasingly Pentecostal in nature. [ 1 ] ** [2.13%]
3ABN programming is becoming increasingly influenced by “Grace” driven theology. [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
3ABN programming is becoming increasingly influenced by “Works” driven theology. [ 1 ] ** [2.13%]
Assuming that being an “activist” in this matter includes sharing and discussing the 3ABN situation both publicly and privately, I feel that it is appropriate morally and biblically for me to be an activist in my concerns regarding any of the above allegations because:
I am concerned and actively involved strictly because 3ABN is widely understood to represent my church. [ 28 ] ** [59.57%]
I would be active in my concern regardless of which denomination, if any, 3ABN was associated with. [ 9 ] ** [19.15%]
I do not consider myself an activist in the 3ABN matter and merely read the information/allegations available to be informed. [ 10 ] ** [21.28%]
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post Aug 23 2007, 03:02 PM
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QUOTE(YogusBearus @ Aug 23 2007, 12:54 PM) *
Will do Fran. I now have you down for believing that 3ABN programming is heavy on Grace, Works, and Pentecostalism. Thanks for your participation.

-bear

It seems to me that the above problematic teachings might possibly lead to the other problem areas in the 3ABN administration.


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post Aug 23 2007, 07:49 PM
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all the above.......strongly


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post Aug 23 2007, 08:31 PM
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QUOTE(YogusBearus @ Aug 23 2007, 11:27 AM) *
Understood Di. I was really attempting to zero in on the hottest area of concern. I realize that many would like the choice of "all of the above" or some other combination. Please "bear" with me if I promise to address this in the next poll currently under construction.

-bear


bear,

I really appreciate the way you developed this poll and am a bit disappointed in the lack of understanding and cooperation by some. Fortunately, I suppose that can be looked at as additional, albeit unintentional data to digest and understand. At any point you are presented with quite a set of pertinent statistics.

1. How many have voted in the poll?
2. How many have posted that they refuse to do so, for whatever reason?
3. How many just can't choose between so many good choices?
4. How many are just simply too rebellious to confine their opinions to a poll?
5. What does it all mean?

As to my own thoughts in reaction to this poll, my choice of the allegations of cover-up of the allegations of sexual abuse was a no-brainer. It is the main reason I joined this forum in the first place. To find the truth. Then, I tried to answer the second level question. I had to really think this over. Would I only be interested in these allegations with 3abn representing MY denomination? Would I be as passionate about the subject if 3abn were representing another denominaton? That was a far more difficult choice. I chose the latter.

It is quite a revelation to see how the votes are adding up.

Folks, please note what bear says in his post, bolded above. He is preparing another poll that may include that "all of the above" choice, so how about participating in this one and let's see where it goes!

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post Aug 23 2007, 08:47 PM
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QUOTE(YogusBearus @ Aug 23 2007, 01:54 PM) *
Will do Fran. I now have you down for believing that 3ABN programming is heavy on Grace, Works, and Pentecostalism. Thanks for your participation.
-bear

yeah, put me down for the same three, plus skewing SDA distinct messages.
thanks!

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post Aug 23 2007, 09:37 PM
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Pretty soon all this stuff is going to be history. I mean, it's not going to matter anymore. 3ABN was once an honest endeavor. But new trouble for 3ABN will surface that more than likely will sink it for good...

Danny will claim the persecution of Christians has arrived... But he is the one responsible for ending this ministry.

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post Aug 23 2007, 09:41 PM
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R,

Can you provide verbatim transcripts that evidence a "skewing" of distinctly Adventist doctrine? I am interested in your response and not trying to discredit you.

Personally, I don't think you can do so, at least from your own experience, your own viewing and comparison of said violations and doctrine. But, if you can I truly do want to know what it is.

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QUOTE(roxe @ Aug 23 2007, 10:47 PM) *
yeah, put me down for the same three, plus skewing SDA distinct messages.
thanks!

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post Aug 23 2007, 09:43 PM
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LEer,

This comment sounds like a plant from the save/not crowd. Is this your opinion and is it based on substantial evidence you, yourself control?

Is your claim in regards to Danny Shelton your speculation or do you have it on solid authority that this is what he will say if anything "new" surfaces?

- FHB


QUOTE(lowender @ Aug 23 2007, 11:37 PM) *
Pretty soon all this stuff is going to be history. I mean, it's not going to matter anymore. 3ABN was once an honest endeavor. But new trouble for 3ABN will surface that more than likely will sink it for good...

Danny will claim the persecution of Christians has arrived... But he is the one responsible for ending this ministry.



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If you would convince a man that he does wrong, do right. But do not care to convince him. Men will believe what they see. Let them see. - Henry David Thoreau

May those who love us love us. And those who don’t love us– may God turn their hearts. And if He cannot turn their hearts, may He turn their ankles, so that we may know them by their limping. - Keeping Faith
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post Aug 23 2007, 10:13 PM
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QUOTE(fallible humanbeing @ Aug 23 2007, 10:43 PM) *
LEer,

This comment sounds like a plant from the save/not crowd. Is this your opinion and is it based on substantial evidence you, yourself control?

Is your claim in regards to Danny Shelton your speculation or do you have it on solid authority that this is what he will say if anything "new" surfaces?

- FHB

Speculation... Educated guess... We all know by now that any bad news for 3ABN is spun by Danny Shelton or Walt Thompson to make Danny out to be the innocent victim or the triumphant one...

Reminds me a lot of Saddam Hussein and his spokesman, Baghdad Bob...
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QUOTE(fallible humanbeing @ Aug 23 2007, 09:41 PM) *
Can you provide verbatim transcripts that evidence a "skewing" of distinctly Adventist doctrine? I am interested in your response and not trying to discredit you.

Personally, I don't think you can do so, at least from your own experience, your own viewing and comparison of said violations and doctrine. But, if you can I truly do want to know what it is.


I'm all for biblical accuracy, but Adventism is such a big tent these days that it's hard to think of anything I've seen presented on 3ABN that obviously falls outside.

That said, those of us who are paying attention notice some unnerving trends ... stuff you'd have to be fairly well-studied to notice.


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QUOTE(lowender @ Aug 23 2007, 11:13 PM) *
Speculation... Educated guess... We all know by now that any bad news for 3ABN is spun by Danny Shelton or Walt Thompson to make Danny out to be the innocent victim or the triumphant one...

Reminds me a lot of Saddam Hussein and his spokesman, Baghdad Bob...

Yeah, it's a good thing he had Baghdad Bob to run interference for him. I don't know what would have happened otherwise.

Say, whatever happened to ol' Saddam, anyway?


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Gems of Wisdom
"Lisa and Ronda are not Danny's biological father." -- wwjd, 2/8/07
"Watchbird, The facts prove the above lie." -- wwjd, 2/13/07
"Another lie that can be proven..." -- Bystander, 3/18/07
"The thing about lies is they can be proven." -- Aletheia, 3/22/07
"I am not here to argue" -- Aletheia, 4/24/07
"She didn't move to 3ABN, she moved to Illinois" -- Aletheia, 4/25/07
"Hope is liberal. 3abn is not." -- steffan, 6/9/07
"Danny Shelton does not decide what goes on the air, period." -- appletree, 8/22/07


http://www.save-3abn.com/
http://www.investigating3abn.info/
http://rescue3abn.blog.com/
http://www.abundantrest.org/?p=74
http://abundantrest.org/2007/02/18/3abn-sa...ons-retirement/
http://anewsabbathschool.blogspot.com/2006...ain-wrecks.html
http://cafesda.blogspot.com/2006/08/atoday...bn-news_21.html
http://www.atoday.com/email/2007/02/12/
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post Aug 23 2007, 11:04 PM
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Hi all, wave.gif

(I'm a newbie - to web posting an' all)

For me first 7 of part 1 & #1 for 2nd part
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QUOTE(Rasputin @ Aug 24 2007, 12:04 AM) *
Hi all, wave.gif

(I'm a newbie - to web posting an' all)

For me first 7 of part 1 & #1 for 2nd part

Hi, Rasputin. Welcome.


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Gems of Wisdom
"Lisa and Ronda are not Danny's biological father." -- wwjd, 2/8/07
"Watchbird, The facts prove the above lie." -- wwjd, 2/13/07
"Another lie that can be proven..." -- Bystander, 3/18/07
"The thing about lies is they can be proven." -- Aletheia, 3/22/07
"I am not here to argue" -- Aletheia, 4/24/07
"She didn't move to 3ABN, she moved to Illinois" -- Aletheia, 4/25/07
"Hope is liberal. 3abn is not." -- steffan, 6/9/07
"Danny Shelton does not decide what goes on the air, period." -- appletree, 8/22/07


http://www.save-3abn.com/
http://www.investigating3abn.info/
http://rescue3abn.blog.com/
http://www.abundantrest.org/?p=74
http://abundantrest.org/2007/02/18/3abn-sa...ons-retirement/
http://anewsabbathschool.blogspot.com/2006...ain-wrecks.html
http://cafesda.blogspot.com/2006/08/atoday...bn-news_21.html
http://www.atoday.com/email/2007/02/12/
http://spectrummagazine.typepad.com/the_sp...eans_and_e.html
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post Aug 23 2007, 11:08 PM
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QUOTE(Rasputin @ Aug 23 2007, 10:04 PM) *
Hi all, wave.gif

(I'm a newbie - to web posting an' all)

For me first 7 of part 1 & #1 for 2nd part


Greetings, Rasputin! welcome(1).gif to BlackSDA

I agree with your choices.


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post Aug 24 2007, 12:13 AM
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QUOTE(ex3ABNemployee @ Aug 24 2007, 12:03 AM) *
Yeah, it's a good thing he had Baghdad Bob to run interference for him. I don't know what would have happened otherwise.

Say, whatever happened to ol' Saddam, anyway?


Maybe we'll find Danny hidden in a Spider hole...

"I am Danny Shelton, President of 3ABN! I wish to negotiate!"
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QUOTE(lowender @ Aug 23 2007, 11:13 PM) *
Maybe we'll find Danny hidden in a Spider hole...

"I am Danny Shelton, President of 3ABN! I wish to negotiate!"

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