Is This Apostasy?, Dr. Walt Thompson, 3abn Board Chairman Options

[Pickle]

I'm doing some research on the word in question, and came across a quote about the showdown on Mt. Carmel that is quite interesting. Perhaps off topic, but here it is:

"What astonishing deception and fearful blindness had, like a dark cloud, covered Israel! This blindness and apostasy had not closed about them suddenly; it had come upon them gradually as they had not heeded the word of reproof and warning which the Lord had sent to them because of their pride and their sins. And now, in this fearful crisis, in the presence of the idolatrous priests and the apostate king, they remained neutral. If God abhors one sin above another, of which His people are guilty, it is doing nothing in case of an emergency. Indifference and neutrality in a religious crisis is regarded of God as a grievous crime and equal to the very worst type of hostility against God." (3T 280, 281)

Thanks to all that have not been indifferent or neutral.

[Musashi]

Sadly, she chose that.

http://references4links.blogspot.com/2007/...of-absence.html

Yeah, that's right, what a lovely letter. He in effect states that she is in the wrong, PERIOD! No ifs ands or buts about it. Her relationship with the doctor is taken as inappropriate by Walt and the board on hearsay testimony, and then he recommends hand-picked counselers for her to go to who evidently have been apraised of "one" side of the story already. This may be but give me a break,...she did not "choose" to be slandered willingly. I was at campmeeting that year among other years and have to say that it was a masterful performance. If you can crucify another individual while all the while making yourself look like a saint, that is impressive.

[ex3ABNemployee]

Yeah, that's right, what a lovely letter. He in effect states that she is in the wrong, PERIOD! No ifs ands or buts about it. Her relationship with the doctor is taken as inappropriate by Walt and the board on hearsay testimony, and then he recommends hand-picked counselers for her to go to who evidently have been apraised of "one" side of the story already. This may be but give me a break,...she did not "choose" to be slandered willingly. I was at campmeeting that year among other years and have to say that it was a masterful performance. If you can crucify another individual while all the while making yourself look like a saint, that is impressive.

to BDSA, and great job on your first post. It looks like you have already done a lot of reading, are already familiar with the situation, or both.

[Musashi]

to BDSA, and great job on your first post. It looks like you have already done a lot of reading, are already familiar with the situation, or both.

Been lurking for years, but finally signed myself up when the format changed recently. Needed to finally get off of the sidelines anyway. Thanks for the welcome.

[GRAT]

Sadly, she chose that.

http://references4links.blogspot.com/2007/...of-absence.html

Richard Nixon resigned the presidency or the United States, by his choice, but he is still listed as our 37th president. There is not a big hole where his information should be.

[Seraphim7]

Seraphim, the quote in question was the statement by Walt Thompson, "Jim joins Danny Shelton, founder and visionary of 3ABN." The objection was to the ignoring of Linda's role as co-founder.
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So you, Artiste, are acknowledging that Danny Shelton stripped Linda Shelton of said acknowledgments specifically and not Pickle? Just asking to be sure we are on the same page.

[Rosyroi]

Yeah, that's right, what a lovely letter. He in effect states that she is in the wrong, PERIOD! No ifs ands or buts about it. Her relationship with the doctor is taken as inappropriate by Walt and the board on hearsay testimony, and then he recommends hand-picked counselers for her to go to who evidently have been apraised of "one" side of the story already. This may be but give me a break,...she did not "choose" to be slandered willingly. I was at campmeeting that year among other years and have to say that it was a masterful performance. If you can crucify another individual while all the while making yourself look like a saint, that is impressive.

Thank you so much for that first person testimony. It backs up other witnesses to the events so nicely.

Also to BSDA, Musashi

Rosyroi

[Johann]

Been lurking for years, but finally signed myself up when the format changed recently. Needed to finally get off of the sidelines anyway. Thanks for the welcome.

I also want to you to BSDA with you clarion testimony. I was also there at that camp meeting. So were others who have given a clear testimony of what they experienced.

[erik]

I agree Cindy. Some people seem to have a cog loose and are willing to go to any depths to drag others in the mud of their gossip. Elder Jim is JOINING 3ABN to help there. So what is the big deal about that? This doesn't make anyone an apostate! Pickle, you must be getting DESPERATE if this is your evidence of apostasy.

Oh my, better get busy everyone--please do check out Elder Jim Gilley (not sure I spelled his name right)--you surely must TRY HARD to find something you can blame him for....and if you can't find it, please be sure to make it up. You're so good at writing fictional hogwash.

Pather,

Do you think that Jesus would have treated linda the way Walt T. and Danny S. have?

Do think that Jesus would have turned a blind eye to at brother struggling for most of his adult life with sexual Sin like
Tommy S. was and still is.?

Do you think that Jesus would stand behind Dany S. and say that all the things you are doing wrong are ok because i ave you a work to
years ago?


IF you anwser yes to those questions then there is no need to consider using the Dreaded "A" word, but if you answer no to them then that word has to be atleast placed on the table.

Erik,


P.s. to Clay, post with all due respect to yourfeelings on the Dread "a" word.

[sonshineonme]

GULP!!!

Um... Artiste, I guess you didn't see the memo about treating Calvin and the Admins(Clay, Di) with respect!. Clay must have been in a generous mood last evening if he didn't suspend you for a bit over this.

Best to choose windmills wisely when one's panties are in a bunch. Sometimes they bite back.

I don't think artiste touched what/how Aletheia did/talked to Di the other day in her post.
So, if we are going to discuss how people treat admin, better bring that one it too.
I'm just saying, unless someone pointed that out to A, it should stay balanced. JMO, of course.

[lowender]

Sadly, she chose that.

http://references4links.blogspot.com/2007/...of-absence.html

ALETHEIA...

Although you don't agree with most of us here, I do believe that you are intelligent & wise enough to know that the accusations made of Linda Shelton were unsubstantiated. So it's my opinion that you set yourself in a place where no one will believe you if you choose to continue these claims about her.

[Artiste]

So you, Artiste, are acknowledging that Danny Shelton stripped Linda Shelton of said acknowledgments specifically and not Pickle? Just asking to be sure we are on the same page.

Yes, Seraphim, I believe that Danny Shelton took away Linda's acknowledgments, and that Walt Thompson continued with the same line of action.


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[Artiste]

I'm doing some research on the word in question, and came across a quote about the showdown on Mt. Carmel that is quite interesting. Perhaps off topic, but here it is: (quote from SOP)
Thanks to all that have not been indifferent or neutral.

That was a great example of Israel's apostasy, Pickle. Thank you for pointing it out. Spiritual darkness, deception, and neutrality in the face of evil ... there must be some analogy ...

Is there mention of and description of Israel's various actions of apostasy in the Old Testament itself? (I know there is, but specifically using the work "apostasy"?)

I meant to look it up but haven't yet.


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This post has been edited by Artiste: Sep 4 2007, 12:40 AM

[awesumtenor]

That was a great example of Israel's apostasy, Pickle. Thank you for pointing it out. Spiritual darkness, deception, and neutrality in the face of evil ... there must be some analogy ...

Is there mention of and description of Israel's various actions of apostasy in the Old Testament itself? (I know there is, but specifically using the work "apostasy"?)

I meant to look it up but haven't yet.
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The problem is 3ABN != Israel... not even a little bit. Hyperbole as a means of demonization is just a bit too far over the top, n'est-ce pas? Apostasy requires a grander scale than Thompsonville and that burden is not met, regardless of how spiritually dark, deceiving, or neutral in the face of evil the powers that be at 3ABN may be.

Is it sin? Yes. Is it morally and ethically reprehensible? Absolutely. Is it apostasy? No... not even for those among us who are trying to serve up the 3ABN kool-aid...and to call it so is to say those who disagree with you are no longer Christian... which is a call none save God is in a position to make.

If you want to believe Danny's camp wrong as two left shoes, that is fine... but that doesn't make them apostate any more than their believing you to be equally wrong makes you apostate. Ground zero of the Great Controversy is not the 3ABN compound... no matter how skewed your perception may become because of hyperfocusing.

In His service,
Mr. J

[Clay]

The problem is 3ABN != Israel... not even a little bit. Hyperbole as a means of demonization is just a bit too far over the top, n'est-ce pas? Apostasy requires a grander scale than Thompsonville and that burden is not met, regardless of how spiritually dark, deceiving, or neutral in the face of evil the powers that be at 3ABN may be.

Is it sin? Yes. Is it morally and ethically reprehensible? Absolutely. Is it apostasy? No... not even for those among us who are trying to serve up the 3ABN kool-aid...and to call it so is to say those who disagree with you are no longer Christian... which is a call none save God is in a position to make.

If you want to believe Danny's camp wrong as two left shoes, that is fine... but that doesn't make them apostate any more than their believing you to be equally wrong makes you apostate. Ground zero of the Great Controversy is not the 3ABN compound... no matter how skewed your perception may become because of hyperfocusing.

In His service,
Mr. J

and as they use to say, "Preach the truth anyhow!!!!"