Propose Some "wisdom Of Solomon" Even At This Late Date? Options

[Johann]

PB:

Please do not confuse "legalese" with poor writing.......




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Some time back I posted a letter Linda Shelton received from a judge. Immediately some of her enemies claimed that was a fake letter since the language was not that of a judge.

I still have no intention of revealing the identity of that judge, but in this context I can reveal that this particular judge is one who strives to use the language of the people being judged, and I am certain that can also be an advantage. Is a judge not permitted to use the language of the people he works among?

This post has been edited by Johann: Nov 7 2007, 01:12 PM

[PeacefulBe]

Oh thank you Noahswife! Here I thought it was just my broken legalese translators, both the organic and computer versions!

Gobbledegook has it's place, but vita brefix, so If CPAATTY truly wants discussion of his issues, whatever they might be, the standard English version might be the best course. For myself, to continue to spend inordinate amounts of time attempting to decipher his posts would be de asini umbra disceptare.

[CPAATTY]

This lawyer\cpa has seen a lot of "self justification" even in religious matters amongst many tied to the purse-strings of the church where administrators have a degree of direction, control if you must, which I heartily suggest as a hedge for "decency and order" in all respects as we are all still human. Once decency and order are breached, it takes too many resources to get the "ox out of the ditch" where it could be construed that the ox was placed there conveniently. The "placing" in this case is no exception to that rule.

I remember well the "camp meeting contacts" ab initio and wasn't too swift even then on "independent ministries" conveniently connected to the "regularly organized church" primarily from its financial resources. I became aware of human tendencies of some to embezzle from "church related funds" early in gaining my educational work for my dual profession. With this knowledge in hand, I am never surprised that a major player in an independent minestry may be tagged with possible misconduct where there is a possible breakdown in corporate governance. My years of "fact finding" in my dual profession speaks loud and clear of "red flags" needing further attention.

It appears to me that some have conveniently latched on to "spiritual adultry" rather than "physical adultry" for their degree of "self-justification" for their actions. We should all clearly understand that "adulty" within the relationships between the "HEVENLY PERSONAGE" involves even "THE VERY THOUGHTS!" Are all thoughts sinful or is it necessary for these thoughts to become "cherished" before they become sin? While I have avoided two areas of law, criminal and domestic relations, I see only "physical adultry" as biblical justification as last resort for divorce as I understand, for only myself, that thoughts, even cherished if they become, are not yet "matters between the married parties." We should all understand that both spiritual as well as physical adultry must be forgiven.

While I have formed my own opinion in this matter to self-justify any actions that may be required of me going forward, I query whether the wisdom of Solomon could be applied in this environment by the use of polygraph techniques in re the "crux of the problem" to possibly see which side would "walk with the baby" if the results thereof could be rightly determined from being conducted in a well defined environment while keeping in mind that the theory of "spiritual vs physical adultry" will not be resolved. Rather than being misled of evil, I will excuse my spouse for using "spiritual adultry" against me if they so desire while opting only for "physical adultry" for myself as a reason. Why would I take this position? Simply stated, true spiritual adultry can only be surmised by weak human beings if used as an "excuse" as it is only between the Creator and the created and fully understood only by the Godhead.

Mandated morals suggested for independent ministries FBO financial supporters through operating manuals and\or by-laws doesn't appear to be a very popular subject for this thread. Is this merely a SIGN OF THE TIMES as it was in the days of Noah as we complain of LEGALESE?

[Seraphim7]

This is my frank observation... I'm of the opinion that this is just another "weapon of mass distraction" thread. Has NOTHING to do with 3ABN and gets play for what, because the op put the words "wisdom of Solomon" in the topic title.

Come on people what, other than allowing us to see that he likes the sound of his own voice, has this thread contributed to help gain any "wisdom of Solomon"?

[Clay]

This is my frank observation... I'm of the opinion that this is just another "weapon of mass distraction" thread. Has NOTHING to do with 3ABN and gets play for what, because the op put the words "wisdom of Solomon" in the topic title.

Come on people what, other than allowing us to see that he likes the sound of his own voice, has this thread contributed to help gain any "wisdom of Solomon"?

nada, zip, zilch.... IMO...

[Snoopy]

Hardly lost in a sharp curve as that's the best place for an attorney to justly enrich their spouses. It appears I have come back for a very, very short spell as it further appears there is little interest from independent ministry factors in the field of MORALS, edicted or otherwise, and maybe insider transactions!

Are you suggesting the possibility of insider transactions at 3ABN?

[CPAATTY]

Mandated morals suggested for independent ministries FBO financial supporters through operating manuals and\or by-laws doesn't appear to be a very popular subject for this thread. Is this merely a SIGN OF THE TIMES as it was in the days of Noah as we complain of LEGALESE?

Insider transactions may be an indication of moral levels exhibited by all related to the functions of an el·ee·mos·y·nar·y /ˌɛləˈmɒsəˌnɛri, -ˈmɒz-, ˌɛliə-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[el-uh-mos-uh-ner-ee, -moz-, el-ee-uh-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective 1. of or pertaining to alms, charity, or charitable donations; charitable.
2. derived from or provided by charity.
3. dependent on or supported by charity: an eleemosynary educational institution.

Early in my professional careers, I had access to a lot of statistics on actual matters passing my desk. Listen to the current news where some of the charities are now questioning why US Congress is getting involved when the IRS has the power to examine certain functions of charities limited to some extent. I hope you can get the current drift even though certain Forms 990 are published to the public. Some charities are subject to limited taxes on certain types of transactions even though the overall tax exempt status is not affected.

I am reminded of a situation where the local head of a charity seemed to fill the house, garage, and possibly other storage facilities with many furniture antiques donated.

I still don't have a dog in the independent ministry fight!!!!!!!!!

[Johann]

I still don't have a dog in the independent ministry fight!!!!!!!!!

When I chided a lawyer at the beginning of this case for not being neutral he insisted he had to start somewhere. Can you get involved without starting somewhere?

[CPAATTY]

When I chided a lawyer at the beginning of this case for not being neutral he insisted he had to start somewhere. Can you get involved without starting somewhere?

Be careful with your chiding as you are apt to demonstrate a vital interest rather than a necessary independence.

Possible loaves and fishes may cause some to respond in a fashion whereby their potential rights may be compromised.

When a BOD finally hits a brick wall, they oft times "punt", on a going forward basis, with decisions they may not have used previously on an "overall look back basis" to prevent potential demise in the absence of previously provided internal controls which can be an indicator of "over-reaching management!"

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[Panama_Pete]

When I chided a lawyer at the beginning of this case for not being neutral he insisted he had to start somewhere. Can you get involved without starting somewhere?

Johann,

It's called "flying by the seat of your pants."

This is when someone makes an important decision based on no information and has no gameplan established.

They hope to be proven correct.....in the end.

Lawyers often fly by the seat of their pants.

[Johann]

Be careful with your chiding as you are apt to demonstrate a vital interest rather than a necessary independence.

Possible loaves and fishes may cause some to respond in a fashion whereby their potential rights may be compromised.

When a BOD finally hits a brick wall, they oft times "punt", on a going forward basis, with decisions they may not have used previously on an "overall look back basis" to prevent potential demise in the absence of previously provided internal controls which can be an indicator of "over-reaching management!"

Was this a circumvention or a response?

[watchbird]

Was this a circumvention or a response?

Surely you did not need to ask.

[CPAATTY]

Johann,

It's called "flying by the seat of your pants."

This is when someone makes an important decision based on no information and has no gameplan established.

They hope to be proven correct.....in the end.

Lawyers often fly by the seat of their pants.

Circumvention to fools may be "facing reality" to others?

I can imagine if you care enough to face reality with the "WACO matter you will still find an element still howling circumvention back somewhere in history!

Anybody with prior and current operating manuals or by-laws are urged to present same or "forever hold your pieces" rather than "holding your peace!"

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