3abn Adds New Board Member, Union President? Options

[Pickle]

I would not think that the webmaster of a site could claim a site as his, so I think some of what you wrote could use some tweaking.

But as far as the webmaster goes, the lawsuit says:

Defendant Gailon Arthur Joy is a resident of Sterling, Massachusettes. Joy is the register of the internet domain name "save3abn.com" and, upon information and belief, is the host, author, and webmaster of the internet web sites "www.save3abn.com" and "www.save3abn.org."

Of course, just because the lawsuit says that doesn't make it so.

[jakann]

Anderson was not fired. Anderson stepped down himself. Trevino did hire a private investigator; but found out nothing different from what news reporters had already reported (which turned out to be true - he was robbed; police report exists-no charges of filing a false police report made). SWAU alumni over here; Class of '00. Friend of Anderson's; knows Trevino (in passing) and knows the whole story. BTW: do you know the school is now running in debt since he left. Independent auditors went over the SWAU books twice (one hired by Anderson; one hired by Union/School) and found no "wrongdoing/mistakes" in books....

Just because I know Trevino; does not mean that he couldn't get "sucked into mess" just like many other well known folks. I know him. I know his character - but I also know Danny Shelton is a strong manipulator. I know this from watchin' part of his commentary on Campus at Andrews University (I could only stomach a few minutes at someone's home then turned the channel). I also know that folks ain't falling for the marlarky as much as they did in the past from the empty seats in PMC when he did his "sideshow" up here at Andrews.

I hope Trevino digs deep and finds the root cause of the mess. If Trevino finds out the mess he will out the mess.

Come on now PrincessDrRe. I know that Anderson "resigned". He "resigned" in the same way that Bob Folkenberg "resigned" i.e. you either resign or we will fire you. I too am familiar with Anderson's situation. And no, according to my sources, the P.I's found out more than what the news reported. And BTW, I have copies of most news reports sitting in my own files. They're interesting reading, seeing how Anderson changed his story again and again.

Regarding the school debt, well, you all know me here on BSDA. The school needn't be in debt if it were running according to the principles outlined in the Spirit of Prophecy as to how out institutions should be run. I do happen to know that Dr. Sahly did do some fat cutting leftover from the Anderson administration like cut off financial support for the baseball team. What! you say? An SDA school supporting intercollegiate athletics in direct contravention to the SOP and the 1989 GC Annual Council action forbidding such? I know, sad but true. And Sahly was vilified to the point where he needed campus security to accompany him at times. Hey, those are some real good dedicated students we've got there.
As a side note, Jim Gilley's baseball legacy was at work for awhile when his son coached baseball at SWAU.
Blessings,
jakann

[PrincessDrRe]

.....Regarding the school debt, well, you all know me here on BSDA. The school needn't be in debt if it were running according to the principles outlined in the Spirit of Prophecy as to how out institutions should be run. I do happen to know that Dr. Sahly did do some fat cutting leftover from the Anderson administration like cut off financial support for the baseball team. What! you say? An SDA school supporting intercollegiate athletics in direct contravention to the SOP and the 1989 GC Annual Council action forbidding such? I know, sad but true. And Sahly was vilified to the point where he needed campus security to accompany him at times. Hey, those are some real good dedicated students we've got there.
As a side note, Jim Gilley's baseball legacy was at work for awhile when his son coached baseball at SWAU.

....he (Sahly) also incurred a large debt by starting a "laptop" program where students registered, got their laptop, and promptly left SWAU without paying for the laptop and just "incurring" the bad credit. Okay. That made sense.....His "fat cutting" got rid of folks that had worked at the school for years, contributed out of their own pockets, yet kept "others" (questionable friends of Sahly) employed... BTW: Didn't Sahly leave his previous position (Southern right?) in debt?

BTW: Dr. Sahly was not "liked" by the student body(in general) and many alumni because he never was seen with the student body. He would not eat with the students in the cafeteria, he was not in his "office" for "discussions with students" about anything (for the most), and had to be told to "just smile" sometimes as his manner and appearance were very hard, unfriendly, and aloof. When the school year started and the discussion of the IceCream Social and "Handshake" was discussed his reply was: "What sense does a massive 'handshake' make?" How about the tradition of being able to say that you personally shook all the students hand? How about brotherhood/sisterhood? How about a smile sometimes? How about learning students "real" names? How about making it a mission to "know" where they were from?

Yeah. Those exact same "dedicated" students that came back (late even) after 9/11 with escorts by some staff that took the money out of their own pockets to fly back with them to assure their parents....

Yeah..... "dedicated students".....

Unless you attended SWAU, knew all (any) the staff personally, and actually participated in events and affairs on campus you truly don't have room to talk. I will now refrain from this discussion with you further.

Sorry on the thread hijack - May Max root out the truth and proceed accordingly.

[GRAT]

No. Fair enough, so save3abn isn't your site.

It's possible I owe you a public apology here...

I thought Joy owned it and you were webmaster, but then someone posted a email from him as webmaster announcing that it was openned back up for 48 hrs, so based on all I've read i thought you might be the owner.

But I guess if it's not your site, it's Joy's site, and he's the webmaster too?

Or am I still wrong?

Still wrong, grammar wise. As per another thread its "an email".

[PrincessDrRe]

Sniggle....

To laugh - herewit.

[jakann]

....he (Sahly) also incurred a large debt by starting a "laptop" program where students registered, got their laptop, and promptly left SWAU without paying for the laptop and just "incurring" the bad credit. Okay. That made sense.....His "fat cutting" got rid of folks that had worked at the school for years, contributed out of their own pockets, yet kept "others" (questionable friends of Sahly) employed... BTW: Didn't Sahly leave his previous position (Southern right?) in debt?

BTW: Dr. Sahly was not "liked" by the student body(in general) and many alumni because he never was seen with the student body. He would not eat with the students in the cafeteria, he was not in his "office" for "discussions with students" about anything (for the most), and had to be told to "just smile" sometimes as his manner and appearance were very hard, unfriendly, and aloof. When the school year started and the discussion of the IceCream Social and "Handshake" was discussed his reply was: "What sense does a massive 'handshake' make?" How about the tradition of being able to say that you personally shook all the students hand? How about brotherhood/sisterhood? How about a smile sometimes? How about learning students "real" names? How about making it a mission to "know" where they were from?

Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm no shill for Dr. Sahly. I'm very familiar with his leadership style and whatnot and agree with very little of it. You make some good points that I agree with completely.

Unless you attended SWAU, knew all (any) the staff personally, and actually participated in events and affairs on campus you truly don't have room to talk. I will now refrain from this discussion with you further.

Ahhh, but you see I did attend SWAU. I do know some of the staff and faculty personally. And I did actually participate in events and affairs on campus. Does that now give me room to talk? Or, do I need to meet you in the atrium of the Chan Shun Centennial Library and give you a tour of the campus? Now that I have established my credentials, are you ready to recant your decision to withdraw from this discussion?

[PrincessDrRe]

Jakann - last post on the topic. No. Still don't make you qualified; being that you spoke on budget issues very wrongly. Published, verified independently; budget issues. Even if you attended SWAU; that don't mean you are SWAU in the open/understanding heart of the school.

I'm done. You may continue to post on the subject if you like; but I am done.

[mystery- man]

That's good since my objective was in no way to impress you or anyone else. My point is that you are giving these intelligent christian men no credit whatsoever for their ability to see wrong, to make their own decisions (not Danny's) and by accusing them of those very actions, cover ups and whatnot, you judge their christian and moral ethics. This is wrong no matter how you look at it. You are setting yourself up as judge and jury to these men's motives and actions when you know nothing about them. Even if you knew them all personally, it would still be wrong to judge them in this way and to tear down their characters with no proof to back it up.

Appletree, what is the problem? I have read your post and I am not sure what you are protecting. Danny, divorces the wife that he loves so much and in two years time he hooks up with a lady the age of his daughter (get your head out the sand). Tommy Shelton is accused of multiple inappropiate relationships yet he takes over as Vic President of 3abn. Dont you think there is a problem there? God has given us a brain to use. Are you telling me you see nothing wrong with that picture? Think about it Linda is not the one remarried? Doesnt that cause you to have some pause?

Remember the theme of 3abn was "Mending broken people". Dont you think it kinda odd that that is not the theme anymore?

[Ian]

Appletree, what is the problem? I have read your post and I am not sure what you are protecting. Danny, divorces the wife that he loves so much and in two years time he hooks up with a lady the age of his daughter (get your head out the sand).

You have your head in the sand if you can't understand how someone can remarry two years after a divorce, no matter what the age of the spouses?

Tommy Shelton is accused of multiple inappropiate relationships yet he takes over as Vic President of 3abn.

...but not by multiple alleged victims or partners, and never charged or found guilty of anything,

And... he NEVER took over as vice-president of 3ABN.

Dont you think there is a problem there?...

Yes. You need to get your facts straight.

This post has been edited by Ian: Jan 9 2008, 01:08 PM

[princessdi]

Ok then try this instead:

You have your head in the sand if you can't understand how someone can remarry two years after a divorce, no matter what the age of the spouses?

Please, she just didnt' show up 18 months later. She ws there only a few months after Linda's departure without pot nor window and two children in tow(once again questioning the judgement of a grown woman, Non Adventist, showing up not in a big city, but boonyville T-vill 3ABN compound in Southern IL............just cuz...Yeah right!). It was a marriage two year later after Danny getting her a job, a house, some "personal" Bible studies(Ian, Appletree please tell me how many people who just show up at 3ABN get personal Bible sutdies from Danny) and conveniently quick baptism at the 3ABN campmeeting(just public....enough). Don't get me wrong Danny ain't the first and won't be the last to tip over the line of what is "acceptable" and try to whitewash it with some baptismal water/ However, don't come here insulting our intelligence about what happened when it is plain to see. Just admit that and get on. I just chalked it up to ego and mid life crisis and always maintained that Danny should have bought himself a new sportscar and new hairpiece to get over it. Once again he ain't the first man to revert to his second young aulthood. More often than not it is to disasterous results, and this situation is no different. There is still a cloud over that marriage because Danny did not handle his buisness like a true, christian man.

...but not by multiple alleged victims or partners, and never charged or found guilty of anything,

There are at least three who have spoken here making the charge, Ian, that's multiple. You sound like another accomplice, "and never charged or found guilty". I notice you didn't say he was not guilty. For a whole lot of folks that is like saying tha OJ was not "found guilty" of his exwife and friend's deaths in criminal court. For the most part your cronies at the time of the discussion spent most of their time trying to convince us that 17 was consentual age in IL, and that at least one of the victims had a consentual relationship with Tommy. Not one of you said he wasn't guilty. which means you know he is, and are just trying to justify his worng doing and that is just as bad as being the act itself. This is why people have a problem, to most normal people Tommy's actions are unacceptable because he was a married mand and a pastor. Nevermind.....this is hopeless, disgusting, and sad!

And... he NEVER took over as vice-president of 3ABN.

Now at least here, we agree. He was program director.........including the children's programming.........HUGE problem there!

[Seraphim7]

You have your head in the sand if you can't understand how someone can remarry two years after a divorce, no matter what the age of the spouses?
...but not by multiple alleged victims or partners, and never charged or found guilty of anything,

And... he NEVER took over as vice-president of 3ABN.


Yes. You need to get your facts straight.

Ian, poor ting.

You have some nerve telling ANYONE to get their facts straight. If you had a clue you might have figured that out by now but in any event. You and the rest of the house of CinDonIanAl should go back to school and learn how to know tell the difference between truth and lies before you preach to others about "facts". Scoot on back to the junction or hootersville or where ever it is you people are from so grown folks can finish their conversation please.

[justice4jesus]

...but not by multiple alleged victims or partners, and never charged or found guilty of anything,

You make this statement in regard to Tommy Shelton's being accused of sexual misconduct, and you're telling mystery-man to get HIS facts straight? Ian, where have you been?! There are numerous accusations from several different individuals, and the accusations even cross state lines. How on this earth did you manage to miss that?

You also reminded us all that Tommy has never been convicted of any crime, as if we needed that reminder. It is interesting to note, however, that you did not venture so far as to state that Tommy is innocent. Admit it, Ian....you have doubts about the man yourself, don't you?

For the record, I believe in my heart of hearts that Tommy Shelton is guilty of that of which he has been accused, and I've known the man for over 30 years. How about you, Ian? Take yourself a little trip to reality and then we can talk.

[Johann]

You make this statement in regard to Tommy Shelton's being accused of sexual misconduct, and you're telling mystery-man to get HIS facts straight? Ian, where have you been?! There are numerous accusations from several different individuals, and the accusations even cross state lines. How on this earth did you manage to miss that?

You also reminded us all that Tommy has never been convicted of any crime, as if we needed that reminder. It is interesting to note, however, that you did not venture so far as to state that Tommy is innocent. Admit it, Ian....you have doubts about the man yourself, don't you?

For the record, I believe in my heart of hearts that Tommy Shelton is guilty of that of which he has been accused, and I've known the man for over 30 years. How about you, Ian? Take yourself a little trip to reality and then we can talk.

How often have we been told Danny's defenders are the only ones knowing the people involved?

[princessdi]

In fact, isn't there a sort of letter of apology form Tommy to at least one of his victims? They never, ever say that he didnt' do it, just basicallyt hat he didnt' get caught kind of thing. I wonder if they would take such a stance if it was one of their children? Would they be comforted because 17 was "legal age of consent" in IL, that not enough people came forward to press charges and he has never served a day for his crimes? These people are a trip!

You make this statement in regard to Tommy Shelton's being accused of sexual misconduct, and you're telling mystery-man to get HIS facts straight? Ian, where have you been?! There are numerous accusations from several different individuals, and the accusations even cross state lines. How on this earth did you manage to miss that?

You also reminded us all that Tommy has never been convicted of any crime, as if we needed that reminder. It is interesting to note, however, that you did not venture so far as to state that Tommy is innocent. Admit it, Ian....you have doubts about the man yourself, don't you?

For the record, I believe in my heart of hearts that Tommy Shelton is guilty of that of which he has been accused, and I've known the man for over 30 years. How about you, Ian? Take yourself a little trip to reality and then we can talk.

[mystery- man]

You have your head in the sand if you can't understand how someone can remarry two years after a divorce, no matter what the age of the spouses?
...but not by multiple alleged victims or partners, and never charged or found guilty of anything,

And... he NEVER took over as vice-president of 3ABN.


Yes. You need to get your facts straight.

Ian or Apple? Anyway, I was being kind, actually Linda was a co- founder but if you think that changes the reality of Linda and Danny standing under the rainbow you really are missing it. I didnt even mention the fact that the stepdaughter accused him of inappropriate behavior. And I just asked the question dont you think there is a problem? I know what you are probably thinking God ordained it because Linda was a very bad Lady? It was a way of God getting back at Linda by blessing him with a younger more beautiful woman, please, go drink some coolaid. I most certainly do understand a older man leaving his wife and marrying a much younger lady, (It is called middle age crisis).