The Televangelist, unedited orginal document in it's entirety Options

[Clay]

In order to have a copyright enforced, it must be registered with the copyright office, at least as copyright applies to the United States. If the copyright originated in another country, there are different aspects of this question.

If the copyright has been registered, it is a simple matter to determine who registered it. If it has not been registered, it cannot be enforced in a U. S. court.

This document has been so freely distributed, with the implied permission of the claimed copyright owner, that it may be assumed that it has entered the public domain. If so, there cannot be any copyright enforcement.

thank you for the clarification....

[Daryl Fawcett]

Therefore, that means anybody can post it anywhere without first obtaining permission?

[Clay]

Therefore, that means anybody can post it anywhere without first obtaining permission?

probably Daryl.... go ahead and post it in your forum... we won't mind.... oh and we won't tell either....

[Guest_statrei_*]

Therefore, that means anybody can post it anywhere without first obtaining permission?

The worst that could happen is that somebody would ask you to remove it.

[sister]

It is interesting to see sections of "The Televangelist" varified in the letter of Dr. Arild Abrahamsen. It also makes it possible to fill in the names that have been left out in this document.

[watchbird]

It is interesting to see sections of "The Televangelist" varified in the letter of Dr. Arild Abrahamsen. It also makes it possible to fill in the names that have been left out in this document.

Will we soon start seeing some of these things woven together in your own delightful narrative style?

[Daryl Fawcett]

Amen to that watchbird!

[watchbird]

It is interesting to see sections of "The Televangelist" varified in the letter of Dr. Arild Abrahamsen. It also makes it possible to fill in the names that have been left out in this document.

As Sister notes above, there is a synergistic relationship between the AA letter and The Televangelist, as the document provides context for the letter, and the letter supplies names and details for some sections of the document. So seeing that the pinned section has been changed to include only those items that are being recommended for distribution, I'm wondering if The Televangelist document ought to be included there as well, where it will not only be available for those who wish to make a full packet of information, but also will be easy access for those coming to BSDA who want a condensed introduction before wading through all the dialogues.

[no_cults]

As Sister notes above, there is a synergistic relationship between the AA letter and The Televangelist, as the document provides context for the letter, and the letter supplies names and details for some sections of the document. So seeing that the pinned section has been changed to include only those items that are being recommended for distribution, I'm wondering if The Televangelist document ought to be included there as well, where it will not only be available for those who wish to make a full packet of information, but also will be easy access for those coming to BSDA who want a condensed introduction before wading through all the dialogues.

If anyone would have that "packet" of information then I would like to have it.
Is there a way to send this information via private e-mails?

Thanks

[watchbird]

As Sister notes above, there is a synergistic relationship between the AA letter and The Televangelist, as the document provides context for the letter, and the letter supplies names and details for some sections of the document. So seeing that the pinned section has been changed to include only those items that are being recommended for distribution, I'm wondering if The Televangelist document ought to be included there as well, where it will not only be available for those who wish to make a full packet of information, but also will be easy access for those coming to BSDA who want a condensed introduction before wading through all the dialogues.

If anyone would have that "packet" of information then I would like to have it.
Is there a way to send this information via private e-mails?

Thanks

Notice the line I have put in bold. There is no ready-made "packet" of information. Each who wishes to send something out will have to assemble their own "packet".

The easiest way to send information from here by email is to simply use the regular "block and copy" functions of your computer, and copy each item you wish to use over into a file on your computer, or directly into your email document.

You will also find much narrative material in the series of threads called "An Unauthorized History of 3ABN" that will give you background and context for things said in the three documents already mentioned. This was originally one long thread, but was cut into ten chapters for ease of access to the various parts. They are not in order. But you would be well advised to look through the menu pages for them and read them in chapter order. Then you can copy out the most cogent posts so you can access them later on your own computer.

Enjoy.

This post has been edited by watchbird: Jul 19 2006, 08:48 AM

[no_cults]

Notice the line I have put in bold. There is no ready-made "packet" of information. Each who wishes to send something out will have to assemble their own "packet".

The easiest way to send information from here by email is to simply use the regular "block and copy" functions of your computer, and copy each item you wish to use over into a file on your computer, or directly into your email document.

You will also find much narrative material in the series of threads called "An Unauthorized History of 3ABN" that will give you background and context for things said in the three documents already mentioned. This was originally one long thread, but was cut into ten chapters for ease of access to the various parts. They are not in order. But you would be well advised to look through the menu pages for them and read them in chapter order. Then you can copy out the most cogent posts so you can access them later on your own computer.

Enjoy.

I understand that there is no "packet" now. I guess I was just being lazy
and was wondering when and if someone put together this information if
it might be available for lazy people like me.

This information needs to get out. Without a lot of people speaking out
on Folkenberg - no doubt he would still be in charge. Remember the
David Dennis affair?

"The pen is mightier than the sword"

Thanks

[Daryl Fawcett]

Perhaps a suggested contents of a packet could be posted here or in a new topic created for such a purpose?

[inga]

I'm glad to see the chapters of "An Unauthorized History" pinned.

What I'd now like to see is the whole "Unauthorized History" as a document that can be distributed, just like the "Televangelist" and Dr. Abrahamsen's letter. Even if it's just pinned in this forum, it makes it easier for busy people to get the big picture.

I'd also like to see "The Televangelist" document "pinned."

That would most of the solid information in an easily found spot.

[watchbird]

It is interesting to see sections of "The Televangelist" varified in the letter of Dr. Arild Abrahamsen. It also makes it possible to fill in the names that have been left out in this document.

It is also an important document in that it widens our focus from the laser beam that we often turn on Linda to the wide floodlight that illuminates the whole spectrum of problem areas both past and recent past. There have been significant developments since May of 2005 when it was written and first distributed. But since understanding history is critical to understanding the present and projecting into the future, this is indeed a very unique and valuable document that serves as an outline into which one can fit the bits and pieces scattered thoughout the threads of BSDA 3ABN forum.

It claims to be a work of fiction. As we have pointed out before, that is the only strictly untrue statement in it. So if you are new to these topics, do begin at the beginning of this one, it will put a lot of things in their proper perspective and relationship.

[Clay]

found this on Maritime posted by watchbird.... interesting disclosures.....

I have copied over the following from BSDA:

NEWS FLASH

I have just received the following document from the author of "The Televangelist", Jorgen VanBraun.

I will make the following comments before you read this post: This situation is currently taking place at the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists. The truth of the statements within the narrative has been verified by a reliable independent source who chooses to remain anonymous at this time. Send a copy of this document to your entire email list. Get the message out to the church at large. It is time for this "shadow man", who uses his vast wealth to sway the decisions of the church, to be revealed. Why does he continue to back Danny Shelton?


Not only this "shadow man" needs to be revealed, but the names of all church leaders who are taking part in the decision of what is to be done about both this man and everyone connected with the 3ABN cesspool should be revealed to the church. I hear a lot against anonymity on this board. Why don't we hear the same hue and cry raised over the cloak of anonymity behind which our leaders are put into office and the cloak of anonymity which hangs tight over the doors of their actions and non-actions regarding the abominadable things which are going on in our church at the present time ... and I am NOT speaking merely of those things connected with the "Shelton Gang" ... which contains a lot more people than those who have the last name of "Shelton". I am speaking of other sex offenders, EEOC violations, and abuse of position and power right within the denominational structure...where appeals for justice are ignored, victims are "paid off" under the counter, and violators remain unrevealed and still in power. This needs to come to a screeching halt before church members get to the end of their patience and turn everything they know over to public "watchdog" organizations who will spare the SDA church no more than what they have "spared" the Catholic church from the bright and withering seachlight of both print and web research and analysis.

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Okay People, time to name names. 100 pts a name, except the victim, this brave girl has suffered enough. Let us all pray for her protection, Danny knows who she is and there is no way to predict what he would be willing to do to try and stop her testimony.

The Contributor
Jorgen VanBraun

Along the hallowed halls of the headquarters of the World Conference of the Church, the atmosphere is hushed, yet alive with activity.


Lest there be any doubt in anyone's mind, let's start the identification process right here. This is the World Headquarters of the SDA church located in Silver Spring, Maryland, USA.

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Pastors, administrators, visitors, people from every part of the globe are here conducting the business of the Church. Also here today is a robust, energetic man from the central west. Today the Contributor, the Church’s wealthiest donor, will be meeting with a number of top leaders.


Garwin McNeilus. Though I wonder about the validity of him being the "wealthiest donor", since there are others of the McNeilus clan who are also involved in the same projects that he supports, and taking it in another direction, I have also heard others refered to as the "wealthiest"... though without the stigma of overt attempts to control the business of our church such as has been attributed to Garwin... by many more than one source, some in an accusatory way and some in a bragging way, depending on their relationship to the man.

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Over the years the Contributor’s donations to the Church have totaled more millions of dollars than we can imagine, and everyone here is anxious to take a larger piece of the pie. The World Missions department has always come out on top.


Particularly what is called "Global Mission" projects. Which, btw, has become somewhat of a "playground" for the McNeilus clan.... "something to do" to occupy their time since they have "sold" their business and can live luxuriously without having the daily toil that most of us have. Denzil, for example, not only leads out in Global Mission trips, but also is allowed to baptize the converts, even though he is not a minister and never has been one.

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Today the Contributor has something weighing on his mind. His close friend and associate, the Televangelist, has a dark cloud hanging over his head.


The Televangelist, of course, is Danny Shelton.

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He has been exposed through various mediums for the charlatan that he is. His many years of lies and manipulation are catching up with him. Now, a young woman has produced documented proof that she was repeatedly sexually assaulted by the Televangelist during his second marriage. This documentation has been sent to many of the leaders in the Church, and the time has come that they can no longer turn a blind eye.


A copy of this signed document has been sent to Daryl, along with the formal request that it not be placed on any internet forum, whether completely public or restricted to authorized subscribers such as this one... and also that her name not be posted any such place. The copy sent to GC headquarters has a notarized signature on it. The restrictions as to who may receive a copy by private email are described as "pastors and church leaders". These are then free to discuss it privately with those whom they judge will handle the information both kindly and judiciously. Readers here who think they fall into one of these categories, yet have not received a copy, may communicate with Daryl privately.

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The man who was once their poster child, and was considered the face of the Church by the Church’s foremost evangelist, is now becoming a liability. If they continue to support him, and allow that he is the face of the church, this newest scandal of his will bring them down with him. The Contributor knows this, and has determined that he will force the Church into compliance with the Televangelist.

Sitting in the spacious office of the President of the World Conference, the Contributor bluntly tells the President that if the Church takes any action against the Televangelist, or does anything that would damage, or undermine him, the Church will not receive another penny of his money for World Missions.


Again, the Contributor is Garwin McNeilus, and the President is Jan Paulson, himself.

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Considering that the World Missions budget comes primarily from the Contributor, the President knows that the Church will be rocked to its foundations by the loss of this man’s money.


Question: HOW does he "know" this. Has he no faith that God will supply all our needs? Has he not heard how God thinks about those who attempt to "buy the Holy Spirit... and the power they think they have by doing so?

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What will he do? What will the Church do?


Reports are that his first reaction was to say that the church's hands were tied so they could do nothing to cut the ties that bind the church to 3ABN and Danny Shelton. Other reports seem to indicate that this is not the bottom line but that others are pushing for action. At any rate... here is something the church at large can do.... raise up in a mighty tsunami that insists not only on cutting the ties and bringing the Shelton gang to justice (including recovering as many of the assets as possible that Danny has stolen from the donation box) but also will clean out those persons in GC headquarters who do not move to clean out other messes on all levels of conference management.

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Back at the compound, the Televangelist leans back in a large couch. His eyes drift over to where a new step-daughter is playing and his lips curl in a slight smile. He reaches over and pats his new wife on the thigh, as he watches the little girl play. Memory takes him back over the years to another step-daughter.

What will the Church do? This question remains unanswered. The decision has yet to be made.