Damage Control, Emails Options

[PeacefulBe]

I believe you.

In my own experience, I have now come to believe that my sisters
(13 mo younger) were molested by our stepfather. To this day,
they have not really dealt with it and I have not encouraged them
to talk about it. I know it is very painful for them. I have read
that THE most painful part of something like this is that the VICTIM
will think that people will blame them and they have an overwhelming
sense of guilt. A child 5 on up to even later teens does not question
an adult that much. They trust them. Even in my own situation, I
(at the time) did not see anything wrong with my 12-13 yr. old sister
getting into bed with our stepfather at 5 am when our mother went
to work. I clearly see this now as not normal, but at the time you
really don't.

Once again. I do believe you.

As a brother, I hope that you can encourage your sisters to seek and find help to deal with the effects of what they went through with your stepfather. If it remains buried in their minds it will color their lives in a very negative way. There is help out there for them. Urge them, and your mother if possible, to go after it.

[Observer]

It is obvious that 3ABN has entered into the process that ASI is going to undertake. Both Dr. Thompson and Mr. D. Shelton have indicated that they were told not speak any further about the issues until they were speaking before the council. This is evolving into a quasi-legal event and it is only logical that if ASI told one side to remain quiet until the process was complete, then it told the other side the same thing.

Here is a question to Greg Matthews, Gailon Joy, Bob *******, sister, or another individual inside Linda's ranks, "Has Linda agreed to submit (just as 3ABN has had to do) the ASI process and if so, has she (and there by her camp) too been counseled not to discuss any potential issues?"

Answering said question isn't giving away any valuable information but would indicate that, as Greg M. pointed out a few weeks ago, there may be -finally-some resolution.

So my source is common sense about a fairly held and effectively planned hearing process.

- fhb

My response:

There are people on both sides of these issues, who are working very hard with others, in an attempt to determine how resolution may be achieved, ether in part, or in whole. These are honest and sincere people who are devoting a lot of energy to this effort.

At his point in time, nothing more may be said publicly. If this effort succeeds, that will be announced, and information will be given on further steps to be taken to resolve the issues. If this effort fails, that will also be announced. If something else is accomplished, that will also be announced.

In the mean-time, we shall just have to wait.

Gregory Matthews

[Richard Sherwin]

It seems to me that if ASI is advising people what not to say they are acting more the part of the persons lawyer than investigator. So unless they have truely told all parties to keep quiet, then ASI's so called investigation is a bit suspect IMO.

Richard

[Pickle]

That seems reasonable to me. ASI is not representing either side, just investigating, right?

"Has Linda agreed to submit (just as 3ABN has had to do) the ASI process and if so, has she (and there by her camp) too been counseled not to discuss any potential issues?"

Good question.

"Answering said question isn't giving away any valuable information but would indicate that, as Greg M. pointed out a few weeks ago, there may be -finally-some resolution."
I would think all agree, that a resolution would be an answer to prayer, and help end all this division and strife which certainly doesn't look good to those outside the SDA Church, nor actually to many of us within it.
BTW: Thanks for explaining about me not being your sock-puppet. I've been posting in Adventist forums and Newsgroups for years with the login name "Aletheia"

~ Cindy

Cindy,

I'll reply to the above which at the same time will be a reply to FHB.

1) Bob ******* is not a member of "Linda's party."

2) I am unaware that ASI has requested all parties to not answer any questions.

If they really did advise Danny to not answer questions about the Tommy Shelton child molestation allegations, then they are acting sort of as legal counsel to Danny, and thus are negating their ability to facilitate an impartial review process.

If they really didn't advise Danny to not answer questions about the Tommy Shelton child molestation allegations, then we have another example of Danny lying.

3) The question has been asked whether Linda has agreed to the ASI review process. If one reads what has already been publicly posted regarding the proposed foundation for those hearings, one can easily discern or conclude a few facts:

a) Someone proposed initial rules which were then mosified by a Gloria Wilson.

b ) Gailon Joy on behalf of Linda then proposed changes to that proposal.

c) In other words, neither side had, at the point Gailon's/Linda's counter proposal was made, agreed to the ASI review process because the ground rules had not yet been determined and agreed upon. At that point not even Danny had agreed to it.

d) Yet it is very clear from the initial proposal that 3ABN/Danny was endeavoring to narrow the scope of the review to just the question of Linda's guilt, and to shroud everything in permanent secrecy. I have repeatedly told Danny that both of these strategies are, in my opinion, horrendous mistakes.

It seems to me that if ASI is advising people what not to say they are acting more the part of the persons lawyer than investigator. So unless they have truely told all parties to keep quiet, then ASI's so called investigation is a bit suspect IMO.

Richard

Right on. They certainly haven't asked me not to answer questions about any of the allegations, I can vouch for that. And if they had asked Linda to not answer questions, I would think that someone would have told me that by now, especially since Gailon reacted so strongly over this issue about two weeks ago.

Two weeks ago he sent out two emails pointing out exactly what you did, and if they had advised Linda too to keep silent, then certainly Danny or someone would have corrected Gailon on that point.

So it is fairly certain that IF they asked anyone to keep silent, it was only Danny et. al.

This post has been edited by Pickle: Dec 9 2006, 06:01 PM

[Daryl Fawcett]

Just an off topic note ,for those here who are wondering, that Maritime is having problems that I am presently trying to correct.

As they relocated the core router earlier today, that may be a part of the problem.

[Richard Sherwin]

I just figured that in the Great White North all the computers were frozen

Just an off topic note ,for those here who are wondering, that Maritime is having problems that I am presently trying to correct.

As they relocated the core router earlier today, that may be a part of the problem.

[Pickle]

I'd like you to compare very carefully the following with the reply that came.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Truce?
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 19:41:51 -0600
To: Danny Shelton

Hi Danny.

This is more of a pastoral letter than anything else.

You know, before I sent that last email, I was really beginning to feel bad for you. It looks like such an impossible situation, with no good solutions, like a bad dream. I would not want to be in your shoes just now.

I've been in bad situations before (nothing like this, though), and it sure wasn't fun. It can be so devastating. And I truly do feel bad for you.

What do you think would bring the most glory to God, and be truly the best for 3ABN? Would it not be to step aside after doing what you can to facilitate the immediate implementation of some of the structural reforms Gailon has had in mind, where there are proper checks and balances to prevent this kind of thing from ever happening again?

I just thought I would try to reach out to you before, well, before whatever happens next.

Did you have opportunity to read that story from the SOP I attached to the end of my last letter? What did you think of that? I honestly could not read it without breaking down and crying. Praise God for His mercy, power, and grace!

Long ago I had a sermon entitled, "Mercy for Manasseh." Too many people think they have sinned too much to be pardoned, forgiven, cleansed, and saved. Well, Manasseh was a preacher's kid of sorts, offered his own kids up as sacrifices, sawed Isaiah in half, and filled Jerusalem with blood, and the Bible even says that God sent Judah into captivity because God couldn't forgive Manasseh's sins.

Yet in spite of all that, when Manasseh was in a dungeon in Babylon, he turned to God and prayed, and God forgave him personally even though He could not forgive the nation as a whole for those sins, and Manasseh was restored to his throne.

Then he immediately went about trying to undo all the damage he had done. Of course he couldn't succeed in that entirely, but he tried, and that's all that God is looking for.

Now if God could pardon Manasseh, he most certainly can pardon you and me. Praise His name!

Do you believe that? That's the first and biggest step, to believe. Would you take that step just now?

Bob

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: Truce?
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 23:18:59 -0600
From: Danny Shelton
CC: Walt Thompson

Bob,
If you really are a pastor I feel sorry for you. You should know better
than to listen to rumors and false accusations and judge those are doing
the work of God. It seems your time would be better spent winning souls
than trying to destroy people.
Please don't feel sorry for me. I am very happy. I have spent the last 22
years of my life doing what God has called me to do.
God's word does not tell us that serving Jesus will be easy. Look what
happened to the Son of God when he walked among people. They wrongly
judged Jesus just as you and Gailon and others are doing with me and the
3ABN board and others as you see fit. You are a pawn in Linda's hand and
you apparently don't even know it or maybe it's just that you don't care.
I don't know.
You might want to ask yourself how you would have stood had you lived on
earth when Jesus was here. Would you have judged Him also and found Him
wanting?

I feel sorry for you and Gailon and others who have fallen for lies. I am
very confident that an unbiased ASI group will see truth when it is
presented to them.
You and Gailon have judged me based on rumors and lies. The ASI group will
judge me and Linda based on evidence. I have told you all along that I have
evidence that I have not presented to you because I didn't need to. I was
saving it for the right time if necessary. I believe that now is the time
to present eye witnesses and evidence at the ASI hearing.

3ABN has always had check and balances. Our financial records are in
perfect order. We have nothing to hide. It's just that we don't have to
show every one who comes along all our records just because he thinks he is
a Sherlock Holmes as you and Gailon seem to think you are.
You have bought Linda's lie hook line and sinker because you have believed
a few people who claim to "know" certain things.
You will ultimately find you are wrong even tho you may never admit it.
Linda knows all the bad seeds she has planted about the management of 3ABN
is not true. It is all a smoke screen. If all this wrong doing had been
going on all these years then she would also be accountable as she was the
VP of 3ABN. Yes, she was privy to all facets of this ministry. No secrets
were kept from her.
Why is she now "spilling the beans". If she honestly saw such terrible mis
management why didn't she do the right thing and bring glory to God by
giving everyone a chance to correct wrong doing or as a last resort "spill
the beans" to the right authorities. We are supposed to love God more than
father mother sister or brother. I realize all this is going over your
head, but for some reason I'm writing it anyway.
3ABN is God's ministry. He will take care of us as He has for the last 22
years.
I'm amazed that if those of us in leadership are so crooked and such awful
liars as you and your group seem to think, that God would continue to bless
us in every way.
This has been our best year ever financially. Our wills and trust
department has brought in more money this year than ever before also.
Virtually every day I hear from or about people around the whole world who
have given their life to Jesus by watching 3ABN and others who have already
joined the SDA church because of the ministry of 3ABN.
The bible says we will know people by their fruits. The fruit of 3ABN's
labor under the direction of our 3ABN board, with God's added blessings,
has been wonderfully successful in the last 22 years. But the truth is we
have never grown so fast as we have the last 2 1/2 years.


Bob, you are trying to look at the physical side of the controversy between
good and evil. Satan is the prince of the flesh. Those who follow after
flesh will/have been deceived. You will only make it through to the kingdom
of God when you begin to live in the spiritual world
If I lived in the physical realm I might be troubled and discouraged and
might even want to quit. But because the picture that God shows all of us
when we look at the spiritual realm is,,, that God has us in the palm of
His hand! He will never leave us or forsake us. In the spiritual realm
one praises God for trials and tribulation thrown at him. This is the
Jesus treatment. We all deserve this kind of treatment. It purifies us as
gold in the fire.
No Bob, the last thing on my mind right now is resigning from 3ABN. I will
resign when the Lord is ready for it.
Most of the complainers are not the prayer warriors and financial
contributors to 3ABN. You have a few people following the deception road
you are traveling, but for the most part, people support those who are
giving them spiritual food.

You can believe Gailon and Linda if you choose. But I know first hand about
their lies they have told. Barb Kerr just wrote me and told me that Gailon
is voicing that he has uncovered at least 8-10 affairs that I have had
since I married Linda. God knows and I know that is lie. There has never
been one!
I have talked to church leaders who tell me that Gailon Joy could not be
Christian. They judge him by his fruits, his emails he sends them. He is
not making an impact on responsible SDA's for the good. Quite the contrary.
To the spiritually discerning Christian, it is easy to read Gailon's
arrogance, his pride, his hatred towards me and any who oppose his views.
In the long run, I'm predicting that he will be no help to Linda's cause.
I shocked that you as a pastor, if you are one, would rally behind someone
with so un Christian of a spirit. It seems it would be easy for you to
see. Most people I have talked to that he has sent emails to them, say
things like "This guy is a nut". Some have said he is obviously led by the
Devil, ect, ect. When you wake up outside your little chatroom world you
will find he has no credibility. People finding out that he is a convicted
embezzler has helped your little group also.
You don't need to answer this email to you.
Ps. I didn't read the last two emails from you. I just deleted them so I
don't know what story you are talking about, but you don't need to bother
to re send it.
Thanks,

========================================

It's hard to think of everything, but did you notice the following?

I have talked to church leaders who tell me that Gailon Joy could not be
Christian. They judge him by his fruits, his emails he sends them. He is
not making an impact on responsible SDA's for the good. Quite the contrary.
To the spiritually discerning Christian, it is easy to read Gailon's
arrogance, his pride, his hatred towards me and any who oppose his views.
In the long run, I'm predicting that he will be no help to Linda's cause.
I shocked that you as a pastor, if you are one, would rally behind someone
with so un Christian of a spirit. It seems it would be easy for you to
see. Most people I have talked to that he has sent emails to them, say
things like "This guy is a nut". Some have said he is obviously led by the
Devil, ect, ect.

Know anyone on Danny's side that sends out emails that sound as if they are filled with arrogance, pride, and/or hatred, and that exhibit an unchristian spirit?

========================================


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Truce?
Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 20:41:13 -0600
To: Danny Shelton
CC: Walt Thompson, Elder Ken Denslow

Greetings.

I hesitate to send a copy of this to Elder Denslow too, since some of the points seem less important than the major, major issues we have been discussing the last ten days, but since he is the conference president and a member of the 3ABN board, I do think I need to keep him abreast of all of this correspondence. Particularly, I think he needs to see the pastoral appeal I wrote to Danny late Wednesday, as well as your reply to it, both of which appear at the bottom of my reply to yours.

You'll have to pardon me, but I'm not exactly sure who to address this reply to. I can see at least five internal clues in your reply that Danny Shelton was not the author. And a couple others who have read it are likewise absolutely positive that Danny didn't write it. So I will address you as the author, but speak of Danny in third person.

You write:

"It seems your time would be better spent winning souls than trying to destroy people."

You will be happy to know that just last Sunday afternoon, I spent four and a half hours in a Bible study in a home of a family of ten. Wasn't sure what to expect since the idea was for them to share with me where Adventists could improve in their doctrines. We ended up covering the topics they chose such as the Spirit of Prophecy, the scapegoat, the investigative judgment, the perpetuity of the law of God and spiritual gifts, law and grace, Christ in the Old Testament, and the Sabbath. We parted with them asking for literature about the Sabbath.

We didn't discuss the state of the dead, though. My daughter had covered that last time we met.

You write:

"I feel sorry for you and Gailon and others who have fallen for lies. ... You and Gailon have judged me based on rumors and lies."

I am not sure what to make of this. Since our current discussion began Wednesday a week ago because of Dr. Walt Thompson's written statement that Danny had essentially misled him regarding the serious nature, wide extent, and recent timing of the Tommy Shelton child molestation allegations, are you trying to say that Danny's trusted board chairman and staunch defender was lying to me?

You write:

"I am very confident that an unbiased ASI group will see truth when it is presented to them. ... The ASI group will judge me and Linda based on evidence."

In my opinion, Danny's persistent refusal to allow ASI to review all the allegations, including the elaborate fabrication Dr. Thompson indicated that Danny told him in 2003 in order to cover up the serious nature, wide extent, and recent timing of his brother's child molestation allegations, that persistent refusal is a fatal mistake. And that fact is obvious to nearly everyone who knows about it.

You write:

"Our financial records are in perfect order. We have nothing to hide. It's just that we don't have to show every one who comes along all our records just because he thinks he is a Sherlock Holmes as you and Gailon seem to think you are. You have bought Linda's lie hook line and sinker because you have believed a few people who claim to 'know' certain things."

Maybe Danny didn't tell you that I didn't believe outright what Gailon wrote about his trying to hide during his distribution of marital assets case the amounts that he pocketed from the free distribution of Ten Commandments Twice Removed last spring. That's why I wrote Danny on Oct. 31 and asked him if he was indeed trying to hide that, and I also asked him how much royalty was paid by whom and to whom. Did he really get 11 cents a book x 4.5 million books = roughly $500,000?

Since in Danny's four replies he evaded all attempts to clarify that figure, he thus led me to believe that his personal profits from that free distribution must have been substantial. And on Nov. 3 he did say:

"The info Galon or whomever, gave you about royalties and costs of books ect. is a lie also. ...
"I will not at this time devulge any more info about this book at this time. I may when mine and her settlement case is over."

And as I made very clear in my next reply to Danny, I took these words to mean that he was indeed hiding how much he had profited from the free distribution of Ten Commandments Twice Removed during the distribution of marital assets proceedings. Correct me if I am wrong, but Danny did not correct my perception in his replies of November 4 and 5, and still today, I am at a loss to take his words in any other way.

In other words, I have come to believe that Danny did make a killing on the free distribution of Ten Commandments Twice Removed, and that he was trying to hide the amounts of those profits during his distribution of marital assets proceedings, I have come to believe that because of Danny's own testimony, not because of what Gailon or any of Danny's critics have said.

You write:

"Linda knows all the bad seeds she has planted about the management of 3ABN is not true. It is all a smoke screen. If all this wrong doing had been going on all these years then she would also be accountable as she was the VP of 3ABN. Yes, she was privy to all facets of this ministry. No secrets were kept from her."

This has been my concern almost from the beginning. I have been concerned that Danny might try to take anyone and everyone down with him, including the totally innocent and those who have simply made some innocent mistakes.

Whether Linda falls into that category, I cannot say and do not know. But I would advise Danny that it will not be good PR for his cause if he starts trying to drag a host of others into the midst of this.

"I'm amazed that if those of us in leadership are so crooked and such awful liars as you and your group seem to think, that God would continue to bless us in every way. This has been our best year ever financially. Our wills and trust department has brought in more money this year than ever before also."

I am a bit puzzled at this. The book of Job; Mat. 5:45; Luke 12:16-20; 16:23-25; Rev. 3:17; and other passages all tell us that material blessings are not necessarily evidence that we are in the Lord's will, and Seventh-day Adventists have always believed and taught that. Are you suggesting that Danny no longer believes this?

You write:

"No Bob, the last thing on my mind right now is resigning from 3ABN. I will resign when the Lord is ready for it."

I think any unbiased onlooker to our discussions the last ten days would say that the Lord is ready for it. Shall we take a poll?

"Most of the complainers are not the prayer warriors and financial contributors to 3ABN."

This may in part be due to the fact that Danny apparently ensures that those who don't personally agree with his course are removed from or prevented from being on 3ABN's email lists. I only suggest that because I signed up a long time ago and have yet to receive a thing.

And of course, anyone who finds out that Danny's own board chairman has essentially admitted that Danny misled him regarding the serious nature, wide extent, and recent timing of the Tommy Shelton child molestation allegations would likely hesitate to continue financially supporting 3ABN, until these extremely serious issues are resolved. Most folks probably do not want to contribute to a ministry if they think their contribution just might possibly get diverted from the Lord's work and be used instead to defend and settle cases of alleged child molestation. And with the apparent negligence that Danny has shown in this matter, one can only dream of the amount of punitive damages a jury just might award.

[The rest of this letter will be posted after someone replies, since this software only allows a certain number of quotes per post before dropping the quote formatting.]

[watchbird]

[The rest of this letter will be posted after someone replies, since this software only allows a certain number of quotes per post before dropping the quote formatting.]

OK.... have done..... continue on.....


.... though you didn't really need someone else to reply before you continue. I have found that if you wait 20 - 30 minutes before making another send, the software stops adding your reply to the post you have just made, and begins a new post. Not sure of the exact moment this happens.... but it's in that neighborhood.

[Pickle]

OK.... have done..... continue on.....
.... though you didn't really need someone else to reply before you continue. I have found that if you wait 20 - 30 minutes before making another send, the software stops adding your reply to the post you have just made, and begins a new post. Not sure of the exact moment this happens.... but it's in that neighborhood.

Good to know that, WB.

Here's the rest of my reply to Danny and whoever wrote the reply I received.

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"You can believe Gailon and Linda if you choose. But I know first hand about their lies they have told. Barb Kerr just wrote me and told me that Gailon is voicing that he has uncovered at least 8-10 affairs that I have had since I married Linda. God knows and I know that is lie. There has never been one!"

For the record, I am basing what I believe to be fact upon what Danny, Dr. Thompson, Hal and Mollie Steenson, John Lomacang, Melody Firestone, and the O'Briens have said.

As far as how many affairs Gailon said that Danny has had, Gailon's actual wording in his email of Nov. 26 states that Danny has had "inappropriate relationships," not "affairs." I would very much appreciate Danny writing back and stating unequivocally that he has not had one single inappropriate relationship in the last 22 years.

Regarding Barb Kerr's main reason for writing Danny:

"I am writing once again to ask you to donate the master copies of all of my cooking videos to my ministry. I now have my non-profit 501©(3) status and would be happy to give you a receipt for your donation. I would also like, in writing, a statement that gives me the rights to use the programs as I see fit. I appreciate so much your generosity towards my ministry since you are no longer airing the programs or selling them."

Will Danny be donating the master copies of and rights to Barbara Kerr's cooking programs that she put so much effort and time into, and if so, when, and if not, why not?

"I have talked to church leaders who tell me that Gailon Joy could not be Christian."

Which church leaders have told Danny that? How can we be sure that this statement is any more factual than the fabrication that the child molestation allegations against Tommy Shelton are all 30 years old?

"People finding out that he is a convicted embezzler has helped your little group also."

Yes, as he explained in detail to Danny, Gailon did convert to his own use money that he had an interest in, which according to Vermont statute constitutes embezzlement. In laymen's oversimplified, imprecise, and not quite accurate terms, he stole his own money. This sounds just a tad more serious than the charge that Ellen White plagiarized since she didn't use quotation marks and cite references in every instance where she copied from her own writings.

"Ps. I didn't read the last two emails from you. I just deleted them so I don't know what story you are talking about, but you don't need to bother to re send it."

Here is something which one of Danny's friends pointed out to me when he called the other day. Danny wrote on Tuesday:

"According to you and Gailon and several others, the 3ABN leadership including myself, have covered up my wrong doing by making Linda the scape goat. ... Should ASI decide that the 3ABN board and myself did not 'scapegoat Linda' ...."

I replied in my next to last email:

"I believe the term 'smokescreen' would be more appropriate than 'scapegoat.' "

And in this email you write:

"It is all a smoke screen."

Danny's friend thought that this indicated for sure that either you or Danny had indeed read my next to last email, contrary to your assertion. Or, as someone pointed out, instead of reading them, maybe Danny had someone read my last two emails to him. Thus, he could have known their contents without actually reading them.

Thanks so much for passing on this reply to Danny.

Bob

[Pickle]

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Truce?
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:03:58 -0600
To: Danny Shelton
CC: Walt Thompson, Elder Ken Denslow

Sorry to bother you again, Danny's penman, but I think the following should be added to my reply to your reply.

Romans 2:1 says, "Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things."

You wrote:

"I have talked to church leaders who tell me that Gailon Joy could not be Christian. They judge him by his fruits, his emails he sends them. He is not making an impact on responsible SDA's for the good. Quite the contrary. To the spiritually discerning Christian, it is easy to read Gailon's arrogance, his pride, his hatred towards me and any who oppose his views. In the long run, I'm predicting that he will be no help to Linda's cause. I shocked that you as a pastor, if you are one, would rally behind someone with so un Christian of a spirit. It seems it would be easy for you to see. Most people I have talked to that he has sent emails to them, say things like 'This guy is a nut'. Some have said he is obviously led by the Devil, ect, ect."

Arrogance, pride, hatred toward anyone who opposes his views, an unchristian spirit. If that really is the correct way to characterize Gailon Joy's emails, then perhaps you[, Danny,] and he have a few things in common. Take, for example, the emails Danny sent Johann on May 31 and June 3, 2004, or some of the ones Danny has sent me. "It seems it would be easy for you to see."

Truly hoping that you both might surrender all to our Lord Jesus at this eleventh hour,

Bob

This post has been edited by Pickle: Dec 10 2006, 10:29 AM

[summertime]

My response:

There are people on both sides of these issues, who are working very hard with others, in an attempt to determine how resolution may be achieved, ether in part, or in whole. These are honest and sincere people who are devoting a lot of energy to this effort.

At his point in time, nothing more may be said publicly. If this effort succeeds, that will be announced, and information will be given on further steps to be taken to resolve the issues. If this effort fails, that will also be announced. If something else is accomplished, that will also be announced.

In the mean-time, we shall just have to wait.

Gregory Matthews

I have friends who are members of ASI and are not involved in this investigation or privy to all of the presentations that Danny has made to them. Could someone tell me what part of ASI is involved in this discussion--does part or all of ASI have a voice in litigations between Danny and the opposing side? I know what ASI is all about but I do not know how they can have voice in judging the right or wrong of this 3ABN mess. Does ASI speak for Danny alone? Are they or their officers a judgemental group who can tell Danny and others when or when not to speak? Maybe there are others who read this panel who would like to know the exact part that ASI is playing in the decisions of these things. Are they a true Adventist group of sincere Adventist business people or are they a judgemental group who have so much sway?

This post has been edited by summertime: Dec 10 2006, 09:36 AM

[Pickle]

I have friends who are members of ASI and are not involved in this investigation or privy to all of the presentations that Danny has made to them. Could someone tell me what part of ASI is involved in this discussion--does part or all of ASI have a voice in litigations between Danny and the opposing side? I know what ASI is all about but I do not know how they can have voice in judging the right or wrong of this 3ABN mess. Does ASI speak for Danny alone? Are they or their officers a judgemental group who can tell Danny and others when or when not to speak? Maybe there are others who read this panel who would like to know the exact part that ASI is playing in the decisions of these things. Are they a true Adventist group of sincere Adventist business people or are they a judgemental group who have so much sway?

I have a good friend who is an ASI member who asked someone high up if the ASI members were going to be informed of ASI's role in all of this. I don't think they had been informed as of Friday evening.

Based on what he has told me, I'd say that it must be the folks at the top who have been in the know up till now.

But remember, based on the publicly posted Proposed Foundation I referred to before, as of that being posted, no one, not even ASI, had committed themselves to a definite process since a definite process had not yet been decided upon.

[Observer]

I have friends who are members of ASI and are not involved in this investigation or privy to all of the presentations that Danny has made to them. Could someone tell me what part of ASI is involved in this discussion--does part or all of ASI have a voice in litigations between Danny and the opposing side? I know what ASI is all about but I do not know how they can have voice in judging the right or wrong of this 3ABN mess. Does ASI speak for Danny alone? Are they or their officers a judgemental group who can tell Danny and others when or when not to speak? Maybe there are others who read this panel who would like to know the exact part that ASI is playing in the decisions of these things. Are they a true Adventist group of sincere Adventist business people or are they a judgemental group who have so much sway?

ASI is a group of business people who are members of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, and have formed an association in which they can fellowship together, and support the work of the SDA Church through their business interests. 3-ABN is a major player in ASI.

An attempt is being made to see if ASI can play a role in bringing resolution in some manner to this mess.

This can only happen if the respective parties agree that it shall happen. It does not have the authority to compel any person or group. However, it is thought by some that it may have moral authority which can persuade.

The specifics as to who, what and how, can not be disclosed as those questions can not be answered prior to the parties agreeing on those questions. I.E. I do not know the answers to some parts of those questions as they have not been determined by an agreement of the parties.

Several of the people involved in these early discussions do not wish to have their identities revealed at this time.

Speaking in generalities, I will simply say: Major players on both sides of this issue are kept informed. They provide input to people who represent them in these discussions. This, as you might expect, is critical. Without agreement by the major players, there can be neither agreement nor resolution.

I am encouraged by the fact that those participating in the discussions are personally relating well, as I would phrase it, to each other. Dialog is taking place. At the same time the discussions are frank, and open. There are difficulties which must be overcome before resolution can be attempted. It remains to be seen if this can happen. I do not predict the final outcome.

I am posting these comments because:

1) I believe that even with the privacy that must take place during these discussions, the public can be told some things.

2) I believe that it is helpful for the public to be told that honest, sincere, people who do differ on some of the involved issues are working very hard to effect some kind of a resolution.

3) I think that it is helpful for people to know that the task is not easy. It may succeed. It may fail. That can not be predicted at this time.

4) If it fails, it may be due to complex issues, and fault can not be laid on specific people.

[Daryl Fawcett]

I just figured that in the Great White North all the computers were frozen

Maritime SDA OnLine is up and running again after a near fatal crash of all the posts data.

[Johann]

This past Sabbath Dr. Arild Abrahamsen went to worship in a black Seventh-day Adventist church where he had never been before. When they discovered the Norwegian doctor accused by Danny Shelton was in the audience, the whole congregation shouted and clapped and welcomed him as a dear friend. Arild told me he has never received such a warm welcome, and he felt so much at home with these dear people. They worshipped with divine love in their hearts.

Some members of that congregation must be reading BSDA. Arild wants me to express his gratitude to you all.