Disgust!, disgusted by the smear in this site Options

[simplysaved]

I am sure that he will appreciate it.

I guess... ... But usually when I visit a site that I don't like... I leave and look for another. But that was mean and I'm sorry Joe.

[awesumtenor]

Dial 1-877-SNIFFLE.... ....they'll take care of you.

He's past the SNIFFLE stage... he needs an urgent intervention from 1-800-WAA-AAAH....toll free so he wont even need a quarter to call someone who cares...


In His service,
Mr. J

[Observer]

Re: "What is being posted is 2nd & 3rd & 4th hand gossip..."

That statement is false, even if partly true. There may be individual posts to which you are accurate. But, it is false as it relates to much that has been posted. There are people who have posted many first-hand experiences.

You have painted with a broad brush many to whom the application is false.

You are also being challenged on your view of God, and what God expects people to do in response to percieved sin and wrong doing.

[simplysaved]

Question: Can the truth be presented in a way that it becomes gossip IYHO?

Re: "What is being posted is 2nd & 3rd & 4th hand gossip..."

That statement is false, even if partly true. There may be individual posts to which you are accurate. But, it is false as it relates to much that has been posted. There are people who have posted many first-hand experiences.

You have painted with a broad brush many to whom the application is false.

You are also being challenged on your view of God, and what God expects people to do in response to percieved sin and wrong doing.

....even if it is first hand account information?

This post has been edited by simplysaved: Dec 18 2006, 01:25 PM

[princessdi]

I believe the problem is that it does include the sordid details of people's personal lives. Therefore, it "looks" like gossip. I bleive we are mostly talking about the reasons most beliee that several members fromt he Shelton Family should have been disciplined for the violation of many and varied laws regarding marriage, etc Once again, it sounds bad, they sound worse than ascript from Y&R, but we also know a good portion of it is true, and that no discliplinary action has been taken. People are appalled at the charges being levelled at Linda without proof to this day, but with success BTW, by people who are getting away with their dirt.

Also, like I said, it is very painful to those who love the church, and especially those who have come to love 3ABN, it's ministry, and the leaders there. Anything that is contradictory to what they seem to represent is going to sound hardsh, and be painful to hear. But one thing we all must understnad, God does not need 3ABN, Danny, Tommy, or even Linda to finish His work. It is a blessing for each of us to able to serve Him. We get awfully attached to man{general}, especially if they present themselves as God's representatives.

Question: Can the truth be presented in a way that it becomes gossip IYHO?
....even if it is first hand account information?

[Eddy]

Some call it gossip, and others see it as a discussion on current events in the SDA Church. If you don't agree, don't read it, don't post it. It should be simple as that. What's the problem?

[princessdi]

Well, you know some folks don't see it like that, and it is true that they do have a right to express their "righteous" indignation. However, they can't be surprised or hurt when folks respond in kind. Joe levelled some pretty rough accusations of those posting in 3ABN, and used pretty strong language. My favorite pastor always says ,"If you want friends, you must present yourself as as friend. Joe came here are no friend, he came to rebuke, without having all the facts, BTW.

He is still very much welcome here as a member to post where and what he pleases, as long as it is not against the board rules. Just realize he will get as good as he gives.

Some call it gossip, and others see it as a discussion on current events in the SDA Church. If you don't agree, don't read it, don't post it. It should be simple as that. What's the problem?

[Johann]

5 T p. 51-53: "I wish my position to be clearly understood. I have no sympathy with the course that has been pursued toward Bro. -------. The enemy has encouraged feelings of hatred in the hearts of many. The errors committed by him have been reported from one person to another, constantly growing in magnitude, as busy, gossiping tongues added fuel to the fire....Some have taken advantage of this, and faults of minor consequence have been made to appear like grave sins."

"Whatever may be Bro. -------'s faults, your course is unjustifiable and unchristian. You have gone back over his history for years, and have searched out everything that was unfavorable, every shadow of evil, and have made him an offender for a word. You have brought all the powers you could command to sustain yourselves in your course as accusers. Remember, God will deal in the same manner with every one of you. 'With what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged; and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.' Those who have taken part in this disgraceful proceeding will meet their work again."

Lee, you have picked out select quotations from this chapter. I would encourage people to rerad the whole chapter, and also a book where your find all of Ellen White testimonies regarding Battle Creek. Here you can read the background of these testimonies and under what situation they were given.

These are powerful words, but don't forget, they can be turned either way. How about what evil lies 3ABN has used against Linda Shelton just so that Danny could marry another girlfriend and get away with it?

[Clay]

OUCH... the attackes from the brethern hurt... and just for expressing a different opinion. The difference, I believe in Jesus judging a man, and you and I judging a man, is that He is God. He has all the facts correct, He never made a mis-judgment. He reads the heart... we cannot. If even one of those allogations about the Sheltons...is wrong... the damage has been done... people have been scared and the message of Christ has suffered. What is being posted is 2nd & 3rd & 4th hand gossip...

welcome to the forum... if you felt compelled to make your first post here, then we must assume you are big enough to handle the fallout from that post....

No one has judged anyone yet.... we have discussed in sordid detail various events in the lives of those involved.... judging to me would be saying that because the Sheltons have done this they are going to hell.... that hasn't happened yet I don't think.....

[simplysaved]

Now Steve, you know that is not true...

welcome to the forum... if you felt compelled to make your first post here, then we must assume you are big enough to handle the fallout from that post....

No one has judged anyone yet.... we have discussed in sordid detail various events in the lives of those involved.... judging to me would be saying that because the Sheltons have done this they are going to hell.... that hasn't happened yet I don't think.....

[princessdi]

You are correct Sarah, Joe did judge people when he called them gossips, etc. All other posts are in presonse to his judgements.

This is my first time to enter the BlackSDA site. I must say I am appalled by all the allogations that are printed here... whether true or untrue.... It make no difference. I can't believe that Jesus would have anything to do with such as this. He was... and is.. about Love and fellowship and lifting up one another... sharing one another's burdens.... even the Shelton's burdens... not about destroying one another with the tongue. GOSSIP is a HUGE SIN! I request that the board of Black SDA reconsider what is slanderous and what is hurtful and take this stuff of its website....God is not pleased with His Children partaking in a format similar to the "Jerry Springer" show.
I dont believe that God is happy with us... God forgive us!

Sounds like he pronounced quite a judgement to me!

Now Steve, you know that is not true...

[simplysaved]

Joe is not the only that has passed judgement....however, the judgement I refer to is that one that has 3ABN administration found guilty of charges and complaints even to the post that I asked Sister "why" post it...

You are correct Sarah, Joe did judge people when he called them gossips, etc. All other posts are in presonse to his judgements.
Sounds like he pronounced quite a judgement to me!

[PeacefulBe]

5 T p. 51-53: "I wish my position to be clearly understood. I have no sympathy with the course that has been pursued toward Bro. -------. The enemy has encouraged feelings of hatred in the hearts of many. The errors committed by him have been reported from one person to another, constantly growing in magnitude, as busy, gossiping tongues added fuel to the fire....Some have taken advantage of this, and faults of minor consequence have been made to appear like grave sins."

"Whatever may be Bro. -------'s faults, your course is unjustifiable and unchristian. You have gone back over his history for years, and have searched out everything that was unfavorable, every shadow of evil, and have made him an offender for a word. You have brought all the powers you could command to sustain yourselves in your course as accusers. Remember, God will deal in the same manner with every one of you. 'With what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged; and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.' Those who have taken part in this disgraceful proceeding will meet their work again."

Lee,
It is quite obvious that Sister White is NOT talking about sins as greivous as the victimization of young people in this quote. She is directly speaking about gossiping up "faults of minor consequence" and making them appear major. Surely you can see that there is a HUGE difference.

As Johann suggested, all should read the whole chapter and the background material.

Brother Smith,
If the allegations against Tommy Shelton are true, what would you suggest we as a church do about it? Should we pray that justice will one day be done? Should we gather around a campfire and sing pretty songs? Should we leave it as it is and hope that no other child falls victim?

This post has been edited by PeacefullyBewildered: Dec 18 2006, 05:05 PM

[PrincessDrRe]

OUCH... the attackes from the brethern hurt... and just for expressing a different opinion. The difference, I believe in Jesus judging a man, and you and I judging a man, is that He is God. He has all the facts correct, He never made a mis-judgment. He reads the heart... we cannot. If even one of those allogations about the Sheltons...is wrong... the damage has been done... people have been scared and the message of Christ has suffered. What is being posted is 2nd & 3rd & 4th hand gossip...

Now truthfully speaking - this may be true for some of the posts - however for those that first-hand experienced it this is an outright lie and discredits their experiences and their emotional connection to such.

Joe you are not being attacked for having an opinion your opinion is being challenged this is a discussion board sometimes views differ.

ITA! I have had "disagreements" with folks on this board. Folks I know face-to-face even....but you know the difference in those "disagreements" and the "differing of opinions" (yours)? They do it with love and have not "accused" me of anything they cannot back up.

You did.

We all are not gossipers.... that is what you said. That is a lie.

No Joe.... you were not "attacked" for having a different opinion. You were confronted for attacking others and painting everyone here with the black brush of "gossipers". If you want to express a different opinion, then pick one item at a time and tell why you disagree with it.... but you had better be sure you have at least as good a reason for your disagreement as what you expect others to have for posting their experience or their opinion or the results of their research.

The things that have been posted here range all the way from snide remarks to first hand experience. You will not find much of the latter in recent posts, that is true... and the reason for that is that those who have told have no interest in repeating themselves time after time. If you will do as several of us have suggested.... go and read ALL the pinned items, including taking the link by link "guided tour", you will find for yourself which ones are speaking from their own personal experience and which are passing on information about what they have witnessed or learned through careful research.

And yes... the cause of Christ has had reproach put upon it. But at what point did that reproach occur? When someone exposed it to the light of day? Or when people were hurt in the first place? If you will come down off of your "high and mighty horse" and settle down to studying the evidence that is here for all to see..... then perhaps you won't be so "appalled" at what as being said here... and you will be a lot more "appalled" at what happened to cause people to say what they have said here.

What's even sadder is that of all the "gossip" that was posted (per Joe) there is information posted about sexual molestation of a child! Would you allow that to pass if it was your child? If so this is definately not the board for you....

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As Watchbird says, if you have specific areas of disagreement, then it is best that you post that with your support or reasoning/opinion, but you started by making a judgement on a group of people. Did you really think they would not respond in kind?
[color]

....You have painted with a broad brush many to whom the application is false.

You are also being challenged on your view of God, and what God expects people to do in response to percieved sin and wrong doing.

We have a quote here.....
"This isn't Sabbath School - we pay attention here...." What this means is that many go to Sabbath School and really (in all honesty) don't pay any attention. We read here. We research here. We post facts to back our posts. Whether or not you believe what is posted - you best believe you better have proof it is a lie before calling it a lie.

Some call it gossip, and others see it as a discussion on current events in the SDA Church. If you don't agree, don't read it, don't post it. It should be simple as that. What's the problem?

...As Johann suggested, all should read the whole chapter and the background material.

Brother Smith,
If the allegations against Tommy Shelton are true, what would you suggest we as a church do about it? Should we pray that justice will one day be done? Should we gather around a campfire and sing pretty songs? Should we leave it as it is and hope that no other child falls victim?

...but what is sad is that if you don't read it; that doesn't mean it's going to go away. If you expose your child or the child of someone you know to someone that is a molestor - and you had the time and information in front of you to make an informed decision; and you do not "read it"/see it as gossip.

That is on your head.

Sing pretty songs? We already are notorious for doing this....

[Clay]

Now Steve, you know that is not true...

I know no such thing.... has Danny Shelton been judged? Or any of the other players in this mess? I think their actions have been called into question, but judged, I don't think so.....