Questions For Joe Smith, for starters: "mansion" & "huge pool" Options

[Johann]

Can you post where Danny and Walt have said this, and can you get in writing from that individual a statement to the contrary?

I know you'd like to have this in writing, Bob. At this time you will merely have to take my word for it. I have to agree with what Linda has told me, that if people will not believe she is innocent from all the evidence already produced, they willl probably keep on doubting and twisting what they see and hear until they are consumed by their unstable thinking.

As Linda makes this clear to me I am again amazed at incidents she is still experiencing. The Lord is her guide and she communicates with Him about everything in her life. Just before Christmas she experienced again how the Lord showed her how her life is being spared and taken care of. She feels that if people are not honest enough to trust her, and that what she says it the truth, there is not much good Lord can do for those people. She is eager to leave all of this behind, convinced that the signals she sees from the Lord is her green light to soon launch in a ministry that will be a greater challenge to her than anything she has ever encountered before. She feels the Lord is teaching her through all this how to cope and trust.

Join me and Linda in praying that God may be glorified through this experience.

Johann Thorvaldsson, Iceland

[Chez]

I wonder if anyone will stop to realize how far $250,000 will go these days to start over. I live in a 1200 square foot house smack in the middle of Missouri---it would probably sell for about close to $120,000--small lot--nicely kept but in a quite modest neighborhood. $250,000 to buy a house and live in Springfield, Ill. for years--starting over, paying taxes, health insurance and caring for herself without a steady income? Linda did not get rich---and if the IRS is looking over her books they will probably take their share also. It costs more than that to keep a jet plane and pay all the expenses incurred for it for one year.---All this talk about Linda making a bunch is almost funny. I think that if any one of us had to walk out of our home with nothing but personal belongings and start looking for a new way of life with no house to call our home, that bank account would dwindle in a hurry.

I looked on the web for houses in the $150,000-200,000 range in Springfield, IL area. I didn't see mansions and I didn't find swimming pools. I did look at some that were in the $200,000-250,000 range also. I didn't find mansions and I didn't find swimming pools. Maybe my concept of a mansion is different in comparison to Joe's concept. I promise you that $250,000 will not get you far, even in Springfield, IL.

This post has been edited by Chez: Dec 27 2006, 05:41 PM

[Pickle]

I have to agree with what Linda has told me, that if people will not believe she is innocent from all the evidence already produced, they willl probably keep on doubting and twisting what they see and hear until they are consumed by their unstable thinking.

Think about it, Johann.

Danny says, "If people will not believe me ..." Linda says, "If people will not believe me ..."

Thus far the only concrete evidence produced to show that Danny is lying about Linda is the name on the title thing. That's the only evidence I've seen thus far. It has absolutely nothing at all to do with doubting or twisting or unstable thinking.

And if there is an opportunity to show more evidence and her side refuses to show it, then I fail to see the difference between that and what Danny does, claiming that he has evidence and refusing to show it.

Of course, in this particular situation, we likely have a problem with a third party not wanting to give a written statement.

This post has been edited by Pickle: Dec 27 2006, 06:28 PM

[Aletheia]

Back to the main topic of this thread:

In Summary: Joe Smith has admitted then when he said that linda now lives in a "mansion" with a "huge pool," he really meant any house larger than what he lives in, and a house with any size pool whatsoever, no matter how small.

Naw, that was just a big glass of haterade! tsk, tsk, tsk.......

Still Unanswered: Joe, how did you know her house has any sort of pool? Have you seen it personally? If soo, when? If not, who told you, and how did they know?

Ok so I think I missed something here......when did Joe Smith become an "insider"? I might be worng, but I thought he was one of the ones claiming not to know anybody or anything....."Just trying to get the facts, Ma'am." Ooops Flashback! I might be wrong, though. Won't be the first time........

Joe does claim to know people at 3ABN and things. I don't know how Joe knows there's a pool, he hasn't answered, but I believe that it is very likely there is one because Johann claims he took a dip in it. I asked him some questions regarding the house and the pool, but he hasn't answered.Seems if Joe's incorrect then Johann would be the best person to set the record straight since he is the only person so far who claims to have been at and in Linda's house, and pool.

On the otherhand he also gave a thumbs up to pictures and info which Lurker posted from Springfield's Best homes, of houses with such small yards that all I could do was go: hmmm.... maybe she stores it in her hall closet when not in use???


This method of operating is all vaguely familiar.


I asked Johann about the change in his testimony on Maritime:

From this:

http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?s...st&p=141443

Johann:
Below is a form letter Dr. Walther Thompson is sending out as a reaction to Dr. Arild Abrahamsen's document. You will find my comments in blue in between...

Is it proper for one's doctor to give his patient a nice wrist watch?

[Johann Thorvaldsson:] Another ridiculous statement. In Scandinavia it is a custom to give one's hostess a gift. So Danny made the claim this was a sign of an engagement, claiming that this was a very expensive watch that Arild had given Linda. Now Walt merely calls it "nice"!

Arild and I received a catalog of things available on the aircraft. There was a rather cheap double-faced watch which interested Arild because it showed two time zones at the same time. So Arild bought it. Later we visited Linda and she gave us some tasty meals at Linda's-daughter's place. So Arild gave Linda this watch as a token of our appreciation for her hospitality. I'm not sure Linda liked that watch very much. It really is not that "nice"...



To this:
"Dr. Arild Abrahamsen and I had nothing else in mind when we leafed through the Continental Airlines price list on our flight from Norway to America in May, 2004. We knew Linda needed some encouragement. It was one of the cheapest little thing we could find, but it was not at all beautiful, no gold nor glitter. It was odd shaped because it showed the time in two time zones - a typical souvenir and nothing else."

and he was kind enough to give a explanation, but there was this poster, sky, who posted a picture of the watch and claimed it was sold on Continental airlines (no internet search confirmed this in any way), and Johann had responded "Thank you, Sky. It does not look much like an engagement watch, does it??" [leading us to believe that it was the watch in question] "Arild and I looked at the watch together and decided it was the right thing for Linda as a token of her hospitalilty, because we knew she had prepared a delicious vegetarian meal for both of us. We knew she had been fired and was not permitted to be present at the Camp Meeting, so she needed some encouragement."
[ I wondered how this could be true, when according to all , the board met after the campmeeting and then Linda was fired, and Dr Abrahmson testified they went there to testify before the board, and according to Danny he found the watch prior to Linda moving out of the home...]

however, all I posted was "Hi sky, I'm not sure where you got your information, or how you would know? Have you seen the watch, and is it your testimony that this is the exact same brand and model of watch given to Linda? Thanks :-) "

This was sky's response:"Dear Cindy, I know what Continental Airlines sells in the same way I know what comes with a Happy Meal.



Anybody confused about what the reference to hummer means here? or think a joke about oral sex is proof of anything, or that this is how an honest person- a true Christian -would answer?

I'm not.

I am sadly coming to the conclusion that many (not all) of the people involved in these issues (on both sides) just make empty claims and evil insinuations and are then understandably allergic to questions regarding them, or trying to be honest and accountable.

Even Sister seems infected with this disease of making claims and accusations, and then refusing to support or explain them in answer to questions. Who wans to condemn self???

Which is a very sad testimony about the professed people of God. I would love to be proven wrong here...

So, at this point I would like to have Johann answer about Linda's house and pool, and answer thesame question i asked sky:
"Have you seen the watch, and is it your testimony that this is the exact same brand and model of watch given to Linda? Thanks :-) "


And that's just the beginning, for I have noticed a number of inconsistancies in Johann's posts, only a couple of which are above, which raise questions. And he's not the only one...


Of course some may want to focus on Joe to the exclusion of others, but I am not going to do that.
Yes Joe should answer the questions his posts have generated, as should we all.

~ Aletheia

P.S. if anyone is unable to link to the Maritime posts I referenced above on this thread:http://www.maritime-sda-online.org/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=82540&page=0&fpart=1 because they aren't a SDA member there, ask the owner Daryl for permission to access those forums, for I don't think it right to bipass his forum rules and guidelines, and won't.

[Pickle]

Aletheia,

The picture you posted has this URL on it: http://ronaldmchummer.com/. Go there and take a look, and then consider editing your post ASAP.

I can't see anything off color in what Sky said. That URL suggests that there wasn't anything off color there.

As far as looking at discrepancies goes, I would suggest that we need to weigh carefully whether a detail is forgotten or innocently garbled, or whether something was intentionally distorted.

As far as Joe goes, I still want to know where, how, and from whom he got his information, even though Johann has confirmed that there is a pool.

[PeacefulBe]

Now, if you want my extra-biblical thoughts on this: I am of the opinion, and I do not try to claim this as biblical, right, or valid, it is just my opinion, that there should be one other legal grounds for divorce besides adultery: IV drug use. The reason? Adulterers and drug addicts both share one commonality: risk of life-threatening diseases such as HIV. God does not ask us to expose ourselves to a potential death sentence. This would be akin to suicide. Therefore, it is my personal belief that any lifestyle which so basely puts the life of the partner at risk as this should be grounds for divorce. Now, remarriage is a separate issue still.

Since IV drugs are usually taken for their effect on the brain's "pleasure center", I think sharing a drug needle could be considered fornication. But that's just my opinion.

[PeacefulBe]

however, all I posted was "Hi sky, I'm not sure where you got your information, or how you would know? Have you seen the watch, and is it your testimony that this is the exact same brand and model of watch given to Linda? Thanks :-) "

This was sky's response:"Dear Cindy, I know what Continental Airlines sells in the same way I know what comes with a Happy Meal.

Anybody confused about what the reference to hummer means here? or think a joke about oral sex is proof of anything, or that this is how an honest person- a true Christian -would answer?

I'm not.

Aletheia,

Yes, I am confused. My grandkids got happy meals with little Hummers in them some time back. These clever little toys had cables with hooks that could pull the Hummer up when hooked on to something. Sad that your mind went in a different direction.

I am sadly coming to the conclusion that many (not all) of the people involved in these issues (on both sides) just make empty claims and evil insinuations and are then understandably allergic to questions regarding them, or trying to be honest and accountable.

Even Sister seems infected with this disease of making claims and accusations, and then refusing to support or explain them in answer to questions. Who wans to condemn self???

Which is a very sad testimony about the professed people of God. I would love to be proven wrong here...

Please, dear, maybe you should retract your nails and return to your search for truth and perhaps you won't be so sad.

[HUGGINS130]

Here in California, in most parts she could not even get what you have. Not saying she got a lot, point is she didn't get what she was due by a long shot. She got the short end of the stick fo' sho'! I completely understand by what is being said. It is not a lot of money these days to start over.

tell em all Di...tell them da truth...

[Joe Smith]

Aletheia,

The picture you posted has this URL on it: http://ronaldmchummer.com/. Go there and take a look, and then consider editing your post ASAP.

I can't see anything off color in what Sky said. That URL suggests that there wasn't anything off color there.

As far as looking at discrepancies goes, I would suggest that we need to weigh carefully whether a detail is forgotten or innocently garbled, or whether something was intentionally distorted.

As far as Joe goes, I still want to know where, how, and from whom he got his information, even though Johann has confirmed that there is a pool.

I was waiting to see if anyone else had picked up on the fact that Johann had said he had taken a "dip" in Linda's pool. If the pics from the sky didn't show a pool, must not be the right neighborhood. Danny also told me about her pool.
Another thing, don't forget that linda didn't just have $250,000.00 to live on.. she also had the Big check from Danny for her half of the house. That amounted to $150,000.00 to $200,000.00. He gave her more than the apraised value. Cash Money.. she didn't have to wait for 2 years for that.

Don't forget the other perks she left with.... her music video rights... her singing and songwriting rights... these amount to a good chunk of change also.

One more thing, about the title to her car. Do you really think that Danny could keep it straight how the title reads since it was not in his possession. I doubt it because I have 4 vehicles and 2 trailer titles and I can't tell you how a certain one of them is made out without getting it out and looking at it.

Joe

[HUGGINS130]

what's this about sky pictures and all that...is this stuff that deep that we need aerial pictures to prove stuff...boy talking about having nothing else to do...

[calvin]

I am sadly coming to the conclusion that many (not all) of the people involved in these issues (on both sides) just make empty claims and evil insinuations and are then understandably allergic to questions regarding them, or trying to be honest and accountable.

Aletheia,

Yes, I am confused. My grandkids got happy meals with little Hummers in them some time back. These clever little toys had cables with hooks that could pull the Hummer up when hooked on to something. Sad that your mind went in a different direction.
Please, dear, maybe you should retract your nails and return to your search for truth and perhaps you won't be so sad.

I hear ya PB. If folks coming here getting sad, then go be sad someplace else. My advice.

[watchbird]

Watchbird, when would you say he dropped the term? Do you suppose this was because he faced an uphill battle getting people to accept it as a legitimate cause for his divorce?

I was away today so got behind.... and I'm responding as I read, not knowing if someone else has already answered this or not... but... since it is addressed directly to me.... here is what I know...

Checking through my mailboxes, I find that the first information I had from a reliable source, was July 29, 2004. In that letter is this sentence,"Danny had discovered in a book that anyone talking more than 10 or 12 minutes to a person of the opposite sex that is not a spouse, is committing spiritual adultery."

The first mention I could find where this same individual noted that Danny was now "denying that he ever used spiritual adultery as a reason for the divorce" was in November of 2004.

At what time he actually stopped using the term I do not know.

I think, however, that you might be able to put a more precise time on it if you were to look through the BSDA early threads carefully for that phrase... for I know that this was something that was discussed here at length... and width and depth.... And it even involved letters from Danny to Calvin and from Kay Kuzma to Calvin..... and of course the responses that this group made at that time.

I'd suggest setting your search engine to look for specific posts, and then search on "spiritual adultery". You should get a LOT of hits.... and since you want the earliest ones, I'd suggest also setting the search engine to list the oldest first... that way you can walk through them in historical order. Good luck.

[Pickle]

Danny also told me about her pool.

I take it from this comment that Danny was ultimately the sole source of your information that Linda lived in a "mansion" with a "huge pool." If this is incorrect, please inform us differently.

It thus appears, based on your own testimony, that we have potentially here another fabrication told by Danny Shelton. I say potentially since we don't yet have square footage figures or the number of rooms in her house.

I don't put a lot of weight on what Johann, Sister, and others who have sided with Linda say when it comes to Danny's untrustworthiness. But I put a lot of weight on what his staunch supporters, defenders, and apologists say to that effect.

Another thing, don't forget that linda didn't just have $250,000.00 to live on.. she also had the Big check from Danny for her half of the house. That amounted to $150,000.00 to $200,000.00. He gave her more than the apraised value.

Here are a few questions, Joe:

• What was the appraised value?
• How much more than the appraised value did he give her?

See if you can dig up more info on this one. Did she really need a loan from the doctor if she really got all this money? How much did she really get?

Knowing the appraised value and how much Danny gave her for her half of the house will let us know just how kind and generous Danny really was.

One more thing, about the title to her car. Do you really think that Danny could keep it straight how the title reads since it was not in his possession.

Of course he could, since:

• He allegedly made a big deal when they bought the car that his name was not going to be on the title.
• He claimed emphatically that he had proof that his name was on the title.

Now if you are suggesting that he made this claim when he had no proof whatsoever except a faulty memory, then we are left with the conclusion that Danny claimed he had proof when he really had none.

Now can we really try to explain this one away by saying that he can't keep straight what he has proof for and what he doesn't, just like he can't keep straight which cars he owns and which ones he doesn't?

This post has been edited by Pickle: Dec 27 2006, 08:26 PM

[Green Cochoa]

I was away today so got behind.... and I'm responding as I read, not knowing if someone else has already answered this or not... but... since it is addressed directly to me.... here is what I know...

Checking through my mailboxes, I find that the first information I had from a reliable source, was July 29, 2004. In that letter is this sentence,"Danny had discovered in a book that anyone talking more than 10 or 12 minutes to a person of the opposite sex that is not a spouse, is committing spiritual adultery."

The first mention I could find where this same individual noted that Danny was now "denying that he ever used spiritual adultery as a reason for the divorce" was in November of 2004.

At what time he actually stopped using the term I do not know.
...

Thank you, Watchbird. I heard the term from Danny near the end of June 2004. So he must have used the term, at bare minimum, for more than a month. It is my impression that during that time more than a few individuals heard his side of the story.

[Pickle]

Checking through my mailboxes, ...

I would appreciate getting copies wherever possible of any correspondence making claims or denials of spiritual adultery being the basis for what happened.