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> This Should Not Be News - Continuation, Letter from Danny Shelton to BSDA
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post Aug 6 2004, 11:10 PM
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In most cases, when a person has been employed with an organization for 19 years or more, and a highly visible part of the organization, they are not sent off with a tersely worded "Statement Regarding Jane Doe."

Corporate America does not operate that way. Not ever.

Official, Corporate Statements usually look something like this.

(The following is a press release I wrote, myself. One like this should have gone out, instead of their Web-based, unsophisticated and unrefined statement.)

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Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Inc.

For Immediate Release,

May 19, 2004

After nearly 20 years with Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Linda Shelton will be leaving to pursue other, important interests as a well-deserved break from her daily routine.

Those of us here at the network will greatly miss the energy, drive, commitment, and dedication that Linda put into every project or assignment on which she worked. She will be greatly missed by both the staff and network viewers around the world who have grown to know her.

We wish her the very best as she seeks new interests away from the network. Until her return, if ever, 3ABN will be in the capable hands of Danny Shelton, Mollie Steenson, Dee Hilderbrand, Robert Russell, Moses Primo, and the 3ABN team.

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Therefore, my point is that I really don't need to know the ins and outs of the Linda Shelton story to know that properly worded press releases are not tersely written "Statements." And they're not called "Statements." Unless you're under oath and testifying to Congress.

Even a casual reader will see that this was not an appropriate way to terminate a long-term employee. It was embarrassing, humiliating, and degrading to the human spirit. It lacked basic compassion for the person involved and was not Christian in any sense of the word.

I agree with Billy Graham on this point: You don't have to kill someone to commit murder. All you have to do is ruin their reputation and make them unusable for the task God has prepared them to do.


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post Aug 6 2004, 11:34 PM
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QUOTE(Panama_Pete @ Aug 6 2004, 09:10 PM)
In most cases, when a person has been employed with an organization for 19 years or more, and a highly visible part of the organization, they are not sent off with a tersely worded  "Statement Regarding Jane Doe."

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Panama Pete

Welcome Panama Pete, to BlackSDA!!! My name is Diane I am from Northern California(which is why I am still up). Continue to enjoy the site!

now to the topic. You would send out a press release such as you have written, if you really felt that way. If you didn't want to hurt or embarrass or just out right destroy the person, but when is is your intention to hurt, embarrass ans destroy......then you have the situation we now see.


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post Aug 6 2004, 11:48 PM
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I think before I can comment on this (which you all know that I am famous for), I should do some more research. I am upset that this individual would group everyone into this letter.

But as I said, I need to do some research.


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post Aug 7 2004, 01:13 AM
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QUOTE(mema @ Aug 6 2004, 11:48 PM)
I am upset that this individual would group everyone into this letter.

But as I said, I need to do some research.

I do not understand what you mean by "grouping everyone."

Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Inc., is a corporate entity. It exists completely and separately, by itself, as an Illinois corporation.

There is no "everyone."

I'm also curious to know what kind of "research" you mean.


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post Aug 7 2004, 04:35 AM
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In most corporations the Prez is not married to the VP. Also, 3ABN is not a corporation. It is a non profit, self supporting christian organization and ministry. Big difference.

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QUOTE(kountzer @ Aug 7 2004, 04:35 AM)
In most corporations the Prez is not married to the VP.  Also, 3ABN is not a corporation.  It is a non profit, self supporting christian organization and ministry.  Big difference.

DB


When you step inside the front door of 3ABN, you'll see a plaque on the wall from the local Chamber of Commerce with the name "Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Inc." engraved on it.

It's a corporation. That's what the "inc" means. Non-profit status simply refers to its 501 C (3) identity with the Internal Revenue Service.

Secondly, it's a media corporation, as is the Washington Post, which also owns Newsweek and Cable One.

Katherine Meyer Graham took over the presidency of the Washington Post empire when her husband, Phil Graham, died.

So, husbands and wives have been involved in the media in the past, and they will continue to be involved in the media in the future.

Other examples of husbands and wives are:

Paul and Jan Crouch, Trinity Broadcasting Network
Marcus and Joni Lamb, Daystar Television Network
Garth and Tina Coonce, TCT Christian


And syndicated media:

Jack and Rexella Van Impe: "Jack Van Impe Presents"
James and Betty Robison: "Life Outreach International"
Dave and Joyce Meyer: "Joyce Meyer Ministries"
Creflo and Taffy Dollar: "World Changers Ministry"
James and Shirley Dobson: "Focus on the Family"

And of course - last, but certainly not least:

Curtis and Paula Eakins: "Health Seminars, Unlimited, Inc."
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Welcome Panama Pete.... enjoyed your contributions so far and I agree with your positon.....

Mema there is more than enough info on this site and another site (that I posted a link to in the other 3ABN thread) that you can get an idea of the mess that transpired....


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post Aug 7 2004, 01:41 PM
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Panama Pete you are correct. And thanks for these knowledgeable posts. This is what BSDA is about. That was a great simulated Press Release. You clearly must work in the industry. it's a pity that because of your association with BlackSDA you may not get that job at 3ABN. tongue.gif biggrin.gif

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Curtis and Paula Eakins: "Health Seminars, Unlimited, Inc."

I love that show on 3ABN. They are so natural together on TV in the kitchen. None of the phony public displays of affection "some others" on 3ABN were parading which always made me suspicious that all was not well.

And their recipes include stuff Black folk can actually eat! I always wondered if they were related to our boss on BlackSDA.


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QUOTE(tarduke @ Aug 7 2004, 01:41 PM)
QUOTE(Panama_Pete)
Curtis and Paula Eakins: "Health Seminars, Unlimited, Inc."

I love that show on 3ABN. . . .And their recipes include stuff Black folk can actually eat! I always wondered if they were related to our boss on BlackSDA.

Yep, since you ask, they are related. Calvin and Curtis are brothers.
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Panama Pete, I agree with you immensely. Because case in point happened recently with a telecom company here. The CEO was removed ( private word is for questionable reasons) but the press release made out that he was getting a promotion.

Are the non-christian corporate entities more compassionate in their relation to others than us SDAs? And although I have seen correspondence from Linda Shelton to the effect that she and Danny are divorced, he continues on 3ABN as if nothing has happened. What example are we setting to others? Are we SDAs for real? Did these 3ABN actions really represent the creator? And if not, isn't a public apology in order?

Thank you Panama Pete for showing that there is a better way.
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You all, Blacksda must be DA BOMB indeed! You all have gotten a good mention on this site. Check it out!

http://www.clubadventist.com/ubbthreads/sh...vc=1&PHPSESSID=

Looks like more people are looking forward to some godly closure on this issue.
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post Aug 8 2004, 11:51 AM
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You know what we say about conversations of this sought in TrinBago?
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Nogossip,

THIS IS THE FIRST PART OF IT:


I CANNOT vouch for the letter other than it was posted on another forum (you all have the address cause I posted it...), and I wanted to share it here..... eyeopening......


posted July 29, 2004 09:33 Message What happened at 3ABN?

THE STORY OF LINDA SHELTON


By Johann Thorvaldsson


Former 3ABN liaison for Europe It is a fact that Linda Shelton has been
fired - and Danny Shelton has told his version of events to the World
audience. He warned us not to listen to rumors, so what are the facts of
this heart-breaking experience? Unfortunately Linda Shelton has been
judged and dismissed from the establishment she loved and helped build
up - on the basis of rumors. Facts that have been twisted, embroidered
and presented as real. This is quite a complicated matter. A few weeks
ago I was in Southern Illinois, wanting to attend the camp meeting at
3ABN, together with a Norwegian medical doctor - the one Linda has been
accused of committing spiritual adultery with. We went there in an
attempt to clear up misunderstandings, all caused because my wife and I
introduced this doctor to Danny and Linda Shelton. This doctor is also
the head elder of the most flourishing conservative SDA church in Norway
- and has for several years been a financial supporter of 3ABN. Some of
the problems were caused because the 3ABN archives had misspelled the
name of this supporter, so Danny was convinced he was an impostor. Later
Danny has named him a devil, a demon, or evil spirit, or bad counselor -
like he did during the transmission to the whole world on Thursday
evening at Camp Meeting. Also during that meeting we were requested to
leave the premises of 3ABN, and if we ever showed up again at the
meetings the police would be requested to remove us as trespassing
private property - and this at meetings where all are invited.

What is our crime? While my wife, Irmgard, and I were staying at 3ABN in
December 2003, this doctor came to visit us, both to check Irmgard's
illness and to see the studios of the ministry he was supporting and was
a great fan of. Linda came to see us, and later she brought her son
along, who had problems with drugs and related things. Nathan had been
reluctant to see any other doctor, but a lasting friendship between the
doctor and this young man was kindled. Many of his patients are young
athletes, so he is used todealing with young people. The doctor invited
Nathan to come and stay in Norway and receive treatments at his clinic
for a month. Nathan brought his girlfriend along, and later Linda and
Brenda Walsh spent 3 days there to check on things - and I had a visit
with them too while they were there. At that time Nathan had merely been
there for 10 days, and I did not recognize him when I saw him. He was a
completely transformed person.

So after Linda returned to the States she'd call to find out how it was
going with her son. Danny told me himself that he considered that if a
married woman talks for more than 10 or 12 minutes with another man on
the
phone she'd be committing spiritual adultery - so these phone calls
first branded Linda as an adulteress. And from there the ball has kept
rolling with more and more accusations. Mark Finlay was willing to
assist in coming to an understanding, but his offer was unacceptable to
the 3ABN lawyer. Both the lawyer and the pastor
urged me to stay out of this case and not support Linda. They claimed
I'd soon be left out in the cold with no friends at all if I'd continue
supporting Linda in her plight.

Can you imagine our Lord Jesus Christ telling me not to come to the aid
of this frail woman because I'd be left out in the cold without friends?
I have never heard such a statement before coming from people who are
supposed to be the spiritual leaders of this great ministry. Is it any
wonder that the support of 3ABN is dwindling?

With such men at the helm who make it their business and main concern to
condemn Linda, is it any wonder that Linda seeks the support of her
close friends - and also calls the doctor who was so kind to her son?
Of course it might have avoided some misunderstandings and confusions if
that doctor had been a woman. But what does the Apostle tell us? "There
is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is
neither male
nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." Those two people have
been branded before the whole world as adulterers, and you name it. I
never dreamt such atrocities could take place at my favorite ministry,
3ABN

Now the woes of Linda Shelton are not hers alone any more. I was fired
too, because I supported Linda. Officially it was because I refused to
obey orders from my superiors at 3ABN. But I am fortunate that I get my
sustentation from the church where I started my ministry more than 50
years ago. Even though I love the ministry of 3ABN, I serve the God of
heaven and the God of Truth. Derrell Mundall, the father of Danny
Shelton's grandchildren, who has served 3ABN faithfully for many years,
has also been fired. What is his crime? He
was too close and he knows the truth, and shared his knowledge with
others. He supports Linda. He had no other employment when he was
dismissed from 3ABN, so pray that he may soon find another fruitful
ministry where he can use his talents. He chose truth instead of a
steady employment, as so many other believers have done in the past.
Before Derrell was fired he was told that he must remember it was Danny
who received the vision from God to build this TV station. Therefore, he
was told, he must regard the words of Danny Shelton as being the words
of God. Long before Linda's dismissal, Dr. Kay Kuzma was assigned to
help Linda
manage after being fired. She was also supposed to interview staff
members to find a good reason to fire her, so one wonders what really is
behind this upheaval?

Danny mentioned a number of counselors who had helped the board come to
the conclusion that she should be dismissed. You can ask Linda, but I
don't think she ever talked to most of those counselors. In fact even
before her dismissal she felt treated like a criminal when she
approached the premises of 3ABN and was not permitted to enter without
close supervision. The present general staff at 3ABN is probably not
permitted to ask Linda any question. If anyone wants a contact to keep
up their close friendship with Linda they have to write their note on a
postcard, submit it to the leaders who will forward it to Linda. Such
are the present premises of this woman
whose ministry has meant so much to thousands of viewers, and who will
not see her any more on the screen - as long as the present leadership
has it their way.

Pray for 3ABN. Pray for justice. Pray for justice also for Linda.
Miracles still take place.
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BTW, for all you White folks lurking out there, the reference is to the movie “How Stella Got Her Grove Back”.  You would have had to seen or heard of the movie to appreciate the humor.


From a lurking white folk. hiya.gif Saw it, got it, loved it. thumbup1.gif I Only wish the 3ABN situation were a simple laughing matter and not a huge praying one.


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QUOTE(Amelia @ Aug 8 2004, 05:48 PM)
From a lurking white folk. hiya.gif Saw it, got it, loved it. thumbup1.gif I Only wish the 3ABN situation were a simple laughing matter and not a huge praying one.

How did 3ABN get to this point is my question?


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