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[princessdi]

...reconciliation he claimed to be after when he came here..............

Aletheia,

I quoted from two Guam divorce sites. Both said that the grounds could be stated.

I am sorry to hear that you had to go through this yourself, but you did not state whether you were divorced in Guam or not. The laws are different in Guam than in the States (Guam is a U.S. Territory), or people would just get a divorce on the mainland.

The main reason for going to Guam for a divorce is to get it QUICK. That would cause me to ask the question, What was the hurry? If he had filed in the State of Illinois, there would have NO DOUBT been a waiting period, and that may have given time for reconciliation.

IF Linda was guilty, the waiting period may have given her time to come to her senses, and leave the Dr.

L4T

[Hersheys99]

Aletheia,

I quoted from two Guam divorce sites. Both said that the grounds could be stated.

I am sorry to hear that you had to go through this yourself, but you did not state whether you were divorced in Guam or not. The laws are different in Guam than in the States (Guam is a U.S. Territory), or people would just get a divorce on the mainland.

The main reason for going to Guam for a divorce is to get it QUICK. That would cause me to ask the question, What was the hurry? If he had filed in the State of Illinois, there would have NO DOUBT been a waiting period, and that may have given time for reconciliation.

IF Linda was guilty, the waiting period may have given her time to come to her senses, and leave the Dr.

L4T

There is no waiting period on uncontested divorces in Illinois at least not here in Southern Illinois. Mine was uncontested. It was filed within a week we had a court date which my ex didn't even have to be there for & it was granted.

Now on contested then you both have to actually be there with lawyers, etc. & depending on how much you were "fighting" over on how long it would have taken. BUT to me for Danny saying that he wanted to work things out, etc. why would you file a quickie divorce? Why not file in Illinois where you live & let it take its course which maybe during that time you could reconcile if that is really what you wanted all along.

This post has been edited by Hersheys99: Mar 31 2007, 11:16 PM

[Fran]

PB, you are talking nonsense...

She was fired for refusing to give up that man.

She was divorced for refusing to give up that man.

Have you not read about all the times she was counseled to, and advised to, and asked to, and either agreed and kept on talking to him, or refused to?

If your son had a Doctor who your husband strongly objected to, because you were spending hours on the phone with him, what would you do PB? find a new Doctor or give your husband the boot and keep the Doctor, agree to a divorce for adultery, and then fly to Europe to see him without your son? ( that happened, even Johann posted that)

Wake up and smell the postum!
Your second paragraph I don't even understand, it bears no relation to what I posted or reality...
my Church didn't boot him, he's no longer posting here, get it now?

"Wake up and smell the postum!"

Where, oh where, have we heard these words before! Anybody care to make your guess? Was it that old lady from St Louis? Hum... Oh, I'm sorry. I am not supposed to try to discover persona's identities... I'm gone, over and out. Now back to the Lion's Den Games...

1. "She was fired for refusing to give up that man." Alethia

Fran: IMO Wrongful dismissal! Good Court Case!

2. "She was divorced for refusing to give up that man." Alethia

Fran: She did NOT commit adultery! IMO There are NO grounds for that divorce!

3. "Have you not read about all the times she was counseled to, and advised to, and asked to, and either agreed and kept on talking to him, or refused to? Alethia

Fran: I would have done the same thing! I have children! IMO, What does this have to do with this subject?

4. "If your son had a Doctor who your husband strongly objected to, because you were spending hours on the phone with him, what would you do PB? find a new Doctor or give your husband the boot and keep the Doctor, agree to a divorce for adultery, and then fly to Europe to see him without your son? ( that happened, even Johann posted that)" Alethia

Fran: Don't know about PB, but I would do what was good for my son! Hands Down! IMO, Any husband that would demand the son change doctors in the midst of treatment, does not have his wife's welfare or his stepsons interests at heart. It is clear that it was a power struggle. My way or NO way! Linda did exactly what I would have done! IMO, What she did was NOT IMMORAL in any way, shape, or form!

Fran: There is none so blind as those who refuse to see!

[LadyTenor]

Once the truth about Danny comes out in a court of law, alot of people's eyes will be opened. So, come on Danny, bring on the lawsuits, everyone is waiting.

Don't hold your breath, sister....one cannot file a lawsuit for this reason.....and I suspect Danny is full of the same hot air Donald Trump is when he said he was suing Rosie O'Donnell...

The Lindanites write letters and call Churches, and places they hear 3ABN have been invited to or are appearing at, and bad mouth them, they have posted about calling local stations and sattelite co and asking for the hope channel instead, etc etc etc.

It's sick, and as usual the pots keep calling the kettle black.

Now this is a stereotype...I would probably be classified as a Lindanite, yet I didn't do any of those things....MY CHURCH'S PASTOR sits on the 3ABN board, yet I still have not approached him....so kindly stop making general statements about a group of people because stereotypes are never "one size fits all".....

Whether Linda was photographed in bed with the Doctor or not, she chose him over her husband and her ministry, normal people outside this petty little 3ABN world know that's just wrong.

Please explain why you believe she chose the doctor over her husband...I don't want to jump to conclusions about what you are thinking...

The brethren also know *if* she didn't commit adultery, then she had no business agreeing to and signing divorce papers knowing it was unbiblical, and adultery is why Danny was divorcing her.

This is not true....folks sign divorce papers all the time because they know their spouses aren't coming back and they want to move on...this does not speak to the guilt or innocence of any parties to a divorce...it is simply strategic maneuvering...a lot of it being in the legal arena...

Wake up and smell the postum!

It is my understanding that you can no longer divorce your spouse, and list the grounds as adultery, in this sinful world.

THIS IS NOT TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will bet my LAW DEGREE on it!!!!!!!!

Hey Aletheia,

Thank you so much for your display of ugliness. I thought you might be interested to know, it is PRECISELY this attitude that drove me OUT of the SDA church years ago... I have yet to return, and attitudes such as yours keep reminding me why... You have reaffirmed my decision!!!!!!

Snoopy, one size does NOT fit all! Just because some folks display "ugliness" in the church does not mean everyone else does!!! Don't let the actions of whomever turned you away from the church be a representation to you of what folks in teh church are like! We are not all the same! There are still loving, Christ-like people in the church!!!!

This post has been edited by LadyTenor: Mar 31 2007, 11:37 PM

[Snoopy]

[Snoopy, one size does NOT fit all! Just because some folks display "ugliness" in the church does not mean everyone else does!!! Don't let the actions of whomever turned you away from the church be a representation to you of what folks in teh church are like! We are not all the same! There are still loving, Christ-like people in the church!!!! [/size][/font][/color]

LadyTenor,

That is almost verbatim what my family has been telling me!! I keep trying to keep an open mind, but then people like A....well, never mind....keep reminding me of the old ugliness.

After calming down and taking a deep breath, obviously you and others are right. Sometimes its just one step forward and two steps back, you know?

What's really cool is that there is a lot of love here at BSDA. I like it here a lot. There are some very genuine people here, and I can see it as an opportunity to learn a lot from you all - a very SMART group of people! I feel blessed to have been lead here!

Snoopy

[Noahswife]

normal people outside this petty little 3ABN world know that's just wrong.

A freudian slip perhaps?

What's really cool is that there is a lot of love here at BSDA. I like it here a lot. There are some very genuine people here, and I can see it as an opportunity to learn a lot from you all - a very SMART group of people! I feel blessed to have been lead here!

Snoopy

Me too Snoopy, me too.

[fallible humanbe...]

THIS IS NOT TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will bet my LAW DEGREE on it!!!!!!!!

List any state in the union where the grounds can be "adultery" as a the grounds for divorce. If memory serves all of the states are no-fault and they do not consider "adultery" grounds for divorce. Is your law degree in the US or the UK? There is a difference between the two.

Can you prove such in order to save your legal degree?

- FHB

[Hawk]

This post has been edited by Hawk: Apr 1 2007, 01:57 AM

[sonshineonme]

Asking for the Hope Channel instead of asking for 3ABN is sick!?
Will Danny be singing or speaking at your church without some serious repentance or change regarding his sexual molestation of his stepdaughter? Does sexual molestation of one's stepdaughter qualify as adultery at 3ABN?

Now, that's a VERY good question.

[Observer]

Thanks for responding on topic.

Yes I have seen the divorce papers, no adultey isn't listed. It is my understanding that you can no longer divorce your spouse, and list the grounds as adultery, in this sinful world.

That doesn't change Jesus' commands, or what was going on between Linda and Danny.

For a true Christian the only biblical reason for divorce are laid out in scripture.

Linda knew what she was being accused of, and why she was being divorced.. and she agreed to it.

She didn't have to, Danny would probably still have been granted a divorce but a contested one, proclaiming to the court and all the world that she didn't agree to it. Their divorce was a uncontested divorce, meaning they agreed to all terms and just asked the judge to validate it.

Do these things matter?

To God they do. We need to stand for his principles and truth, always.

The only thing that can honestly be said, is that Linda agreed to the grounds for the divorce that were stated in the legal proceedings in Guam. As you have acknowledged that those proceedings did not list adultery, you cannot say that Linda agreed to a divorce based upon adultery.

The record of the Guam divorce stands. That is what she agreed to, not some other spin of the facts.

Let us carry this one step further. Let us say that prior to the legal filing, during the time that Danny and Linda were discussing their marital future, Linda had told Danny that she beleived Danny had committed some kind of wrong, and that was the reason that she was calling the marriage over, and accepting the divorce. On that basis, would you say that Danny agreed to the validity of Linda's claims, agreed to Linda's claim of wrong doing on his part, and acknowledged that he had committed whatever her claim was?

Of course you would not, and neither would I.

In just about all divorces it is typical for both parties to claim some wrong by the other. If you can claim that Danny's claim against Linda is an acknowledgement on her part, be prepared for that same claim (whatever the specifics may be, and I am not suggesting any specifics) to be made against Danny. But, that may not happen, and such a claim is simply unreasonable on its face. I would hope that those of us who support Linda would have better sense.

[daylily]

My cousin filed for a divorce on grounds of adultery in VA and the lawyer said she could have it in a couple of weeks.

[LaurenceD]

List any state in the union where the grounds can be "adultery" as a the grounds for divorce. If memory serves all of the states are no-fault and they do not consider "adultery" grounds for divorce. Is your law degree in the US or the UK? There is a difference between the two.

I realize it's April Fools today, and the temptation here is great, but...

Fault-based divorces are alive and well in some states...every state is different. Here's a couple articles you might find interesting on divorce proceedings. Both are written in layman's language.

http://www.elizabethlanger.com/articles20.htm

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/grossman/20020115.html

Divorce regulations for other states can easily be found on the internet by simply entering something like "divorce requirements" (include which state you're curious about).

I have a hunch there's a whole lot more to this Shelton divorce than meets the eye. There usually is in most relationships. In fact, there may have been a whole lot more going on than met the eye when a divorce was being sought. It may have been more than just a little strategic as to how, when, where, what to file, etc. One side may have been a lot more proactive on this than the other also.

This post has been edited by LaurenceD: Apr 1 2007, 09:13 AM

[LadyTenor]

LadyTenor,

That is almost verbatim what my family has been telling me!! I keep trying to keep an open mind, but then people like A....well, never mind....keep reminding me of the old ugliness.

After calming down and taking a deep breath, obviously you and others are right. Sometimes its just one step forward and two steps back, you know?

What's really cool is that there is a lot of love here at BSDA. I like it here a lot. There are some very genuine people here, and I can see it as an opportunity to learn a lot from you all - a very SMART group of people! I feel blessed to have been lead here!

Snoopy

Glad you are with us and that you are happy to be here, Snoopy!

List any state in the union where the grounds can be "adultery" as a the grounds for divorce. If memory serves all of the states are no-fault and they do not consider "adultery" grounds for divorce. Is your law degree in the US or the UK? There is a difference between the two.

Can you prove such in order to save your legal degree?

- FHB

I earned my law degree from the Hofstra University School of Law in January of 2005. Hofstra University is located in the state of New York, U.S.A. So my degree is one from an accredited school in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

You have asked me to list any state in the union where the grounds for divorce can be adultery. I will use New York for an example.

New York State's Domestic Relations Law states (emphasis mine):

S 170. Action for divorce. An action for divorce may be maintained by
a husband or wife to procure a judgment divorcing the parties and
dissolving the marriage on any of the following grounds:
(1) The cruel and inhuman treatment of the plaintiff by the defendant
such that the conduct of the defendant so endangers the physical or
mental well being of the plaintiff as renders it unsafe or improper for
the plaintiff to cohabit with the defendant.
(2) The abandonment of the plaintiff by the defendant for a period of
one or more years.
(3) The confinement of the defendant in prison for a period of three
or more consecutive years after the marriage of plaintiff and defendant.
(4) The commission of an act of adultery, provided that adultery for
the purposes of articles ten, eleven, and eleven-A of this chapter, is
hereby defined as the commission of an act of sexual or deviate sexual
intercourse, voluntarily performed by the defendant, with a person other
than the plaintiff after the marriage of plaintiff and defendant.
Deviate sexual intercourse includes, but not limited to, sexual conduct
as defined in subdivision two of Section 130.00 and subdivision three of
Section 130.20 of the penal law.
(5) The husband and wife have lived apart pursuant to a decree or
judgment of separation for a period of one or more years after the
granting of such decree or judgment, and satisfactory proof has been
submitted by the plaintiff that he or she has substantially performed
all the terms and conditions of such decree or judgment.
(6) The husband and wife have lived separate and apart pursuant to a
written agreement of separation, subscribed by the parties thereto and
acknowledged or proved in the form required to entitle a deed to be
recorded, for a period of one or more years after the execution of such
agreement and satisfactory proof has been submitted by the plaintiff
that he or she has substantially performed all the terms and conditions
of such agreement. Such agreement shall be filed in the office of the
clerk of the county wherein either party resides. In lieu of filing such
agreement, either party to such agreement may file a memorandum of such
agreement, which memorandum shall be similarly subscribed and
acknowledged or proved as was the agreement of separation and shall
contain the following information: (a) the names and addresses of each
of the parties, (b ) the date of marriage of the parties, (c ) the date of
the agreement of separation and (d) the date of this subscription and
acknowledgment or proof of such agreement of separation.

Moreover, New York is one of those states where "no-fault" divorces are NOT allowed. New York only grants divorces according to one of the six grounds enumnerated in the portion of the Domestic Relations law stated above.

I worked in a law firm while I was in law school that handled a myriad of divorce cases. I had the opportunity to handle an uncontested divorce on my own also (my bosses trusted me with it after I had assisted a number of cases).

Your statement in your above quoted post that claims that all states grant "no-fault" divorces is grossly inaccurate. If you are not convinced with my example that clearly refutes your memory, I can provide several others. However, this post has become long enough.

Feel free to visit www.findlaw.com for any state law you wish to consult on your own.


Of course, my degree was never in danger, so "saving" it was never required. However I am rarely one to bluff.

If you have any more questions of a legal nature, I would be happy to answer them or point you to someone who can if I am unable to.

This post has been edited by LadyTenor: Apr 1 2007, 12:11 PM

[Jnana15]

Glad you are with us and that you are happy to be here, Snoopy!
I earned my law degree from the Hofstra University School of Law in January of 2005. Hofstra University is located in the state of New York, U.S.A. So my degree is one from an accredited school in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

You have asked me to list any state in the union where the grounds for divorce can be adultery. I will use New York for an example.

New York State's Domestic Relations Law states (emphasis mine):
Moreover, New York is one of those states where "no-fault" divorces are NOT allowed. New York only grants divorces according to one of the six grounds enumnerated in the portion of the Domestic Relations law stated above.

I worked in a law firm while I was in law school that handled a myriad of divorce cases. I had the opportunity to handle an uncontested divorce on my own also (my bosses trusted me with it after I had assisted a number of cases).

Your statement in your above quoted post that claims that all states grant "no-fault" divorces is grossly inaccurate. If you are not convinced with my example that clearly refutes your memory, I can provide several others. However, this post has become long enough.

Feel free to visit www.findlaw.com for any state law you wish to consult on your own.
Of course, my degree was never in danger, so "saving" it was never required. However I am rarely one to bluff.

If you have any more questions of a legal nature, I would be happy to answer them or point you to someone who can if I am unable to.

I'm just too proud of you LT ( if that's okay with you)! Tell it like it is!!


Snoopy, I feel just like you. I have been truly blessed by stumbling upon BSDA.

[Clay]

List any state in the union where the grounds can be "adultery" as a the grounds for divorce. If memory serves all of the states are no-fault and they do not consider "adultery" grounds for divorce. Is your law degree in the US or the UK? There is a difference between the two.

Can you prove such in order to save your legal degree?

- FHB

seems your memory is a bit faulty.... I believe LT has shown that your statement was in error.... any info about the church board of your church meeting and discussing the idea of Linda being invited there..... or have you hoped that we would forget the request that was made some time ago?