General Conference Suspends 3abn's Status, Supportive Ministry Status suspended by GC announcement Options

[mikell]

"Due to ongoing administrative issues at 3ABN"...."the General Conference administration has taken a position that until these matters have been addressed that the General Conference personnel not involve 3ABN for new program development and production........ The GC's position applies to General Conference personnel.

If you concentrate on the "meat" of the statement, I found lot for us to be encouraged about here.

Agree!

This post has been edited by mikell: Jun 8 2007, 09:05 PM

[mozart]

for someone who is never "vague" in the expression of my thinking, let me see if i understand this.
the GC has not made a "statement" on the "status" of 3ABN as a "supporting" ministry of the church org. however, on the other hand, the GC is withholding all "support" to 3ABN by means of preventing all GC associates from being involved in 3ABN productions or any 3ABN associates being involved with GC productions for the time being. ??
to be more concise: the GC has cut all future "production" ties with 3ABN just in case the allegations are realised. is that correct?

[Observer]

I'm confused!

What has the GC acknowledged and what have they not acknowledged???

And why don't they care about "issues under the purview of the board of 3ABN" just because it is an independent ministry! There are many Seventh-day Adventists waiting for guidance from church leadership to know how they should relate to 3ABN!

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You should be confused. I wrote "not" when I wanted to write "now." I make that kind of error quite often. I have corrected it in my first post.

This post has been edited by Observer: Jun 7 2007, 06:13 PM

[Artiste]

You shoud be confused. I wrote "not" when I wanted to write "now." I make that kind of error quite often. I have corrected it in my first post.

Thank you for the clarification.

[Daryl Fawcett]

The General Conference of the SDA Church has now acknowledged that they have placed some restrictions on their involvement with 3ABN.

This is a step in the proper direction. It will be interesting to see what the next steps are and when.

I would also say that it was the email sent out by the Conference President in the Victoria Conference in Australia that resulted in further communication from the General Conference.

[Skyhook]

If indeed the 3abn board is "purviewing" these "administrative issues" as the GC person said, then my guess is that this is something that they feel they didn't bargain for when they signed on to be board members. As I understand it, the 3abn board has never provided any oversight or even consultation to Danny. They have probably have been led to believe there is nothing amiss. If I recall correctly they are made up of business people and others who likely have many obligations and responsibilities, and who I think are scattered around the country. If in fact they are going to rectify anything, it is not something that can be done in a meeting or 2, in Denver or Tville.
I don't envy being in thier shoes. Resignations? There might be some angry board members if they learn to what extent they have been conned.

[Noahswife]

From: Jim Pedersen
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: Australian Union Conference

Hi *****, no I have not seen any confirmation of this message.

Best wishes,
Jim

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Hi Jim,

Thank you so much for the link to the chart. That was very helpful!

Have you received the directive from the GC that Denis Hankinson emailed to my associate? Several folks have brought comments from other GC officials that this may not be entirely accurate information. I have several people telling me that it would not be like Denis Hankinson to misrepresent such a serious matter.

Blessings,


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----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Pedersen <mailto:JPedersen@ncc.adventist.org>

Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 4:48 PM

Subject: Re: Australian Union Conference


Hello *****, sorry for the delay...this got buried in my inbox and I just now saw it again.

The Australian Union Conference is part of the South Pacific Division. They are all territories of the General Conference. Just like the Pacific Union Conference (ours) is part of the North American Division. The General Conference is divided into 13 world divisions. You can get a good view of them all at the GC website: http://www.adventist.org/world_church/worl...s/index.html.en

I hope this helps.
Jim

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Good Morning Jim,

An acquaintance of mine received the following email from Denis Hankinson, President of the Australian Union Conference and member of that Conference's Executive Committee.

Can you tell me what relationship the AUC has with our US General Conference? Are they a GC member or an entity unto themselves? It speaks poorly of me as a 40-year member of our denomination not to understand the church structure but I have been working on building a better understanding ever since I first spoke to you and realized that I had no idea that you were our NCC President! Some of us are late bloomers.... but there is always hope!

Blessings,
*****

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From: Denis Hankinson
Date: 06/01/07 00:07:37
Subject: Updates from SPD Administrators' Council and Institute of Public Evangelism Committees

Greetings

Just a quick update on the recent meetings I attended.

Division Administrators -


Update on 3ABN (bold emphasis mine)
The General Conference has suspended 3ABN Supportive Ministry status until some well known issues in more than one area are sorted out. Basically, a lot of smoke doesn't necessarily presume a fire, but it definitely needs investigation and caution.

(edited rest of content in email not relating to this item)
Kind regards

Denis

Dr Denis Hankinson
President - Seventh-day Adventist Church (Victoria)

[lowender]

Is it 3ABN that we want to see ended? NO! The problem is DANNY SHELTON. He has turned this ministry into a mafia. There are good people that work there who would be very capable of operating that ministry smoothly & honestly. The removal of Mr. Shelton from 3ABN has to be the goal here, not the end of 3ABN.

[Daryl Fawcett]

I agree in the fact that we, myself included, do not want to see the demise of 3ABN, but do want to see administrative changes within 3ABN.

[lurker]

Isn't that what is meant by administrative issues -the administration or the leadership at 3ABN? Not the ending of 3ABN?

[Daryl Fawcett]

Yes, lurker, that is what I would think it means.

[lowender]

The GC may censor 3ABN in some way or another. But truthfully, we all know that the GC cannot make Danny step down. Danny Shelton is trying to press this merger with AF to save his own neck. He wants to use this to say "Look here... Doug Batchelor agrees with my divorce. Everyone else is wrong."

The key is to let AF know that your support for them will end if they merge with Danny Shelton.

[Seraphim7]

You seem just a little to quick to accuse the conference of not caring. Which seems to be the underlying theme of a number of your posts. BMTJM

We, as adults, do not need to be told, as if adults do not have the ability to pray and be led by the Holy Spirit, "how" to relate to 3abn. I can not speak for you, nor will I try. Frankly, I do not need the church leadership to tell me how to relate to anything.

Be Blessed

I'm confused!

What has the GC acknowledged and what have they not acknowledged???

And why don't they care about "issues under the purview of the board of 3ABN" just because it is an independent ministry! There are many Seventh-day Adventists waiting for guidance from church leadership to know how they should relate to 3ABN!

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[Rosyroi]

The GC may censor 3ABN in some way or another. But truthfully, we all know that the GC cannot make Danny step down. Danny Shelton is trying to press this merger with AF to save his own neck. He wants to use this to say "Look here... Doug Batchelor agrees with my divorce. Everyone else is wrong."

The key is to let AF know that your support for them will end if they merge with Danny Shelton.

lowender
I understand and agree with your theory. Better than any I can come up with.

Yes the key issue... don't merge or we cut off support.

Rosyroi (Little nobody person in the pew making her little squeaky threats.)

[PrincessDrRe]

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