 General Conference Suspends 3abn's Status, Supportive Ministry Status suspended by GC announcement |
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We can't wait for the GC to make any statements or actions on their business with 3ABN. It's people like US[u] that are going to make changes happen. The best way is with our wallets. These supportive ministries need to know that corporate jets, fleets of vehicles & expensive gymnasiums aren't what preaching the Gospel on tv is about. It's up to us not to let Danny Shelton be the face of our church anymore...
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Jun 8 2007, 05:21 AM
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QUOTE(lowender @ Jun 7 2007, 09:21 PM) [snapback]198873[/snapback] The GC may censor 3ABN in some way or another. But truthfully, we all know that the GC cannot make Danny step down. Danny Shelton is trying to press this merger with AF to save his own neck. He wants to use this to say "Look here... Doug Batchelor agrees with my divorce. Everyone else is wrong." The key is to let AF know that your support for them will end if they merge with Danny Shelton. Here is a link that may be relevant: Relevant Link |
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Jun 8 2007, 06:43 AM
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QUOTE(Voktar of Zargon @ Jun 8 2007, 04:21 AM) [snapback]198910[/snapback]  Wiley's a hoot! Would be fun to know what the upside was.
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Jun 8 2007, 07:32 AM
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QUOTE(Voktar of Zargon @ Jun 8 2007, 07:21 AM) [snapback]198910[/snapback]  I am so tempted...........  Where are those lists of email addresses?  VofZ  -------------------- “I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.” C.S. Lewis
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Jun 8 2007, 09:12 AM
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QUOTE(Voktar of Zargon @ Jun 8 2007, 04:21 AM) [snapback]198910[/snapback] Wiley sure has a way of expressing things. Love this. Nothing like a visual! The upside might have everything to do with money money money (and power power power)... Maybe we can get Wiley to draw us that one too. It's usually a lose-lose thing if the the devil is in the details anywhere. Those mailing lists...they are here somewhere....
-------------------- Here's the thing - "...if you pull "folks" into a fight you don't know what "weapon" they will bring." PrincessDrRe "A man who digs a pit for others to fall into, will end up falling into it himself. And if a man rolls a stone on someone, the stone will roll back on him". Said Solomon the wise, Proverbs 26:27 "No man can follow Christ and go astray." William H.P. Faunce "If I could hear Christ praying for me in the next room, I would not fear a million enemies. Yet distance makes no difference. He is praying for me." Robert M. McCheyne Click here for Linda Shelton's newly updated website |
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Jun 8 2007, 07:00 PM
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I JUST RECEIVED THIS IN EMAIL.
A conference President has told me that this statement is based upon a release directly from the General Conference President of Seventh-day Adventists and the NAD has redistributed the same to all administrators and pastoral staff. Leadership is on the move to press for corrections at 3ABN. Praise be to God that we have leadership on this very important issue. Gailon Arthur Joy AUReporter +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ SUBJECT: K. PAULSON STATEMENT ON GC OFFICIAL STANCE: Message: 15 Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 00:57:30 +0000 From: "Kevin Paulson" Subject: [GCOList] 3abn status Dear Brothers and Sisters: A number of posts have lately raised the issue of 3ABN and its relationship to the Conference, as well as that of Amazing Facts. Yesterday I spoke with a highly placed official of the North American Division, to inquire as to the truth regarding some of the recent rumors. He informed me that while no decision has yet been made by the General Conference to cancel the status of 3ABN as a supporting ministry, the General Conference President has in fact requested that GC officials refrain from appearing on the newtork until certain issues have been clarified. As many on this List are aware, concern over the propriety of certain actions on the part of 3ABN leadership has increased considerably in recent months. Many supporters of the ministry, and many in church leadership, are deeply troubled by certain recent events. There is concern about accountability and the extent to which such a ministry and its leaders can become a law unto themselves. We must keep 3ABN in our prayers. Let us pray that God can bring clarification, and significant changes if necessary, so that this ministry can fully live up to its potential in proclaiming the third angel's message. Recent issues involving the conduct of 3ABN leadership are not the only reason faithful Adventists have been concerned about this ministry. For some time, certain speakers and music styles on that network have fallen far short of Bible and Spirit of Prophecy standards. More than one speaker on that network, one in particular, have been outspoken supporters of the New Theology. The leadership of 3ABN has been repeatedly warned about these problems, but so far nothing has been done to correct them. Another matter that has lately come to light is the fact that a large percentage of 3ABN employees are not even Seventh-day Adventists. Many, many supporters of the ministry would be most reluctant to sustain it with their means if they knew this. How can a ministry preach the third angel's message when a fair number of its workers, including some in key positions, don't even believe the message? Regarding some of the personal issues that have lately been raised regarding 3ABN leadership, let me say as clearly as I know how that were the president of that ministry a member of one of my churches, he would have more than a few questions to answer. I count this man as a friend. But I am deeply troubled by recent developments. And so are many others, including some at the highest level of God's work. Regarding Shelly Quinn and her preaching style, I too am deeply bothered by anyone who says "God told me" this or that. This kind of talk is completely unacceptable for a Christian, unless one is either quoting inspired writings or is in fact an inspired prophet. Mystical impressions as a means of knowing God's will are a major pitfall in the Pentecostal world. And some even in Adventism are partaking of this mentality. It is most dangerous. Also, a word needs to be said about Amazing Facts presumably getting "entangled" with the Conference. Since the beginning, Amazing Facts has had a board chaired by the president of the local Conference where Amazing Facts is located--first in Chesapeake Conference, then Northern California when the ministry moved. Every minister working for Amazing Facts is credentialed by the local Conference, though with the exception of Doug Batchelor all are paid by funds solicited by the ministry rather than by Conference funds. Amazing Facts has always had a close working relationship with the denomination. There have indeed been tensions at times, but to speak of "entanglement" is very misleading. The connection with the Conference described above has existed from the time Amazing Facts got started. And let us not delude ourselves with the assumption that self-supporting ministries are necessarily better able to maintain integrity than Conference ministries. While I praise God for the wonderful work performed by many self-supporting laborers, my own observation and experience has found that self-supporting work often has far less accountability within itself than Conference ministries do. Too often, from what I've seen, a single leader wields far too much power in many self-supporting ministries. Often such ministries have boards that include employees of the institution, who cannot easily hold the institution accountable because they are part of it and beholden to its leaders. This is a dangerous conflict of interest, and one too often seen in self-supporting Adventism. This particular problem is one major reason why 3ABN is facing serious challenges just now. Again, let us keep them in prayer. God bless! Kevin (EDITED AS IT PERTAINED TO 10 COMMANDMENTS THREAD - MOVED IT OVER TO THAT THREAD FOR ANY DISCUSSION DESIRED) This post has been edited by sonshineonme: Jun 8 2007, 07:05 PM -------------------- Here's the thing - "...if you pull "folks" into a fight you don't know what "weapon" they will bring." PrincessDrRe "A man who digs a pit for others to fall into, will end up falling into it himself. And if a man rolls a stone on someone, the stone will roll back on him". Said Solomon the wise, Proverbs 26:27 "No man can follow Christ and go astray." William H.P. Faunce "If I could hear Christ praying for me in the next room, I would not fear a million enemies. Yet distance makes no difference. He is praying for me." Robert M. McCheyne Click here for Linda Shelton's newly updated website |
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Jun 8 2007, 08:08 PM
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Ok so a few portions of "Kevin's" email trouble me deeply and are testament to the fact that Adventist still ahve a ways to go as far as understanding what it means to have a personal relationship with God.
However, the rest, he is on hit. I only know of one independent where the board was strong enough to boot the founder/president when he got too corrupt, and they didnt' move fast enough. -------------------- TTFN
Di And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose---Romans 8:28 A great many people believe they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.-- William James It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.- Mark Twain |
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Jun 8 2007, 09:29 PM
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My LERD!
It's on and poppin'..... -------------------- *"Some folks use their ignorance like a umbrella. It covers everything, they perodically take it out from time to time, but it never is too far away from them."*
PrincessDrRe; March, 2007 ~"Blood = Meat, Face = Meat, Internal "Organs" = Meat - you can try to make it cuter; but it's still meat...."~ PrincessDrRe; September, 2007 *(NOTE: Any advice given by Re' Silvey, MSW is not to be taken as medical/mental health advice. Although trained to be a counselor, currently employed as a therapist, and currently pursuing her PhD in Counseling Psychology (ABD/I) - she is not your assigned therapist. Please consult a mental health professional of your choice for a face-to-face consultation.)* |
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Jun 8 2007, 09:31 PM
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Who is this Kevin Paulsen guy?
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Jun 8 2007, 09:35 PM
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QUOTE(calvin @ Jun 8 2007, 09:31 PM) [snapback]199027[/snapback] Who is this Kevin Paulsen guy? http://greatcontroversy.org Probably not someone you would invite to lunch Calvin. But then again... -bear -------------------- |
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Jun 8 2007, 09:48 PM
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Ok thanks, his bio says he serves on the pastoral staff of the Greater New York Conference of Seventh-day Adventists. So we have an Adventist pastor speaking out.
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Jun 8 2007, 09:58 PM
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Re: The Kevin Paulson communication
What is the "New Theology"? |
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Jun 8 2007, 09:59 PM
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QUOTE(princessdi @ Jun 8 2007, 07:08 PM) [snapback]199002[/snapback] Ok so a few portions of "Kevin's" email trouble me deeply and are testament to the fact that Adventist still ahve a ways to go as far as understanding what it means to have a personal relationship with God. However, the rest, he is on hit. I only know of one independent where the board was strong enough to boot the founder/president when he got too corrupt, and they didnt' move fast enough. i think all of us will always have "a ways to go as far as understanding what it means to have a personal relationship with God." until God comes to take us home. i don't think anyone can understand someone else's "personal" relationship with God. why should adventists be any different? 
This post has been edited by mozart: Jun 8 2007, 10:10 PM -------------------- Thess. 2:16-17 - Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself, and our God and Father, who has loved us and given us everlasting consolation and good hope by grace, comfort your hearts and establish you in every good word and work."
[quote: fine art] "Instead we seem to be using sensationalism, emotionalism, moving lights and motivational speakers that are prepared to manipulate, by well chosen words, the minds of the listeners. It used to be, messages that were given by our pioneers were wrenched from the depths of the heart by the Holy Spirit. Humor was not added to get that laugh of entertainment. Drama was not introduced behind the sacred desk to glue your attention. Man's Rationale has replaced a cry for God's wisdom." "How To Be Free From Bitterness" ( booklet written by Jim Wilson of Community Christian Ministries, Moscow, Idaho - E-mail: ccm@moscow.com ) |
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Jun 8 2007, 10:04 PM
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QUOTE(princessdi @ Jun 8 2007, 06:08 PM) [snapback]199002[/snapback] Ok so a few portions of "Kevin's" email trouble me deeply and are testament to the fact that Adventist still ahve a ways to go as far as understanding what it means to have a personal relationship with God. However, the rest, he is on hit. I only know of one independent where the board was strong enough to boot the founder/president when he got too corrupt, and they didnt' move fast enough. I agree with you...several parts of the e-mail trouble me greatly! |
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Jun 8 2007, 11:51 PM
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QUOTE(sonshineonme @ Jun 8 2007, 07:00 PM) [snapback]198992[/snapback] --- snip --- As many on this List are aware, concern over the propriety of certain actions on the part of 3ABN leadership has increased considerably in recent months. Many supporters of the ministry, and many in church leadership, are deeply troubled by certain recent events. There is concern about accountability and the extent to which such a ministry and its leaders can become a law unto themselves. - edited - Regarding some of the personal issues that have lately been raised regarding 3ABN leadership, let me say as clearly as I know how that were the president of that ministry a member of one of my churches, he would have more than a few questions to answer. I count this man as a friend. But I am deeply troubled by recent developments. And so are many others, including some at the highest level of God's work. - edited - And let us not delude ourselves with the assumption that self-supporting ministries are necessarily better able to maintain integrity than Conference ministries. While I praise God for the wonderful work performed by many self-supporting laborers, my own observation and experience has found that self-supporting work often has far less accountability within itself than Conference ministries do. Too often, from what I've seen, a single leader wields far too much power in many self-supporting ministries. Often such ministries have boards that include employees of the institution, who cannot easily hold the institution accountable because they are part of it and beholden to its leaders. This is a dangerous conflict of interest, and one too often seen in self-supporting Adventism. This particular problem is one major reason why 3ABN is facing serious challenges just now. Again, let us keep them in prayer. God bless! Kevin --- snip --- Wow! It almost sounds like this guy works there. I'll bet he's gonna get a nastygram from Danny. -------------------- Duane Clem
It's not about religion, it's about a relationship. Gems of Wisdom "Lisa and Ronda are not Danny's biological father." -- wwjd, 2/8/07 "Watchbird, The facts prove the above lie." -- wwjd, 2/13/07 "Another lie that can be proven..." -- Bystander, 3/18/07 "The thing about lies is they can be proven." -- Aletheia, 3/22/07 "I am not here to argue" -- Aletheia, 4/24/07 "She didn't move to 3ABN, she moved to Illinois" -- Aletheia, 4/25/07 "Hope is liberal. 3abn is not." -- steffan, 6/9/07 "Danny Shelton does not decide what goes on the air, period." -- appletree, 8/22/07 http://www.save-3abn.com/ http://www.investigating3abn.info/ http://rescue3abn.blog.com/ http://www.abundantrest.org/?p=74 http://abundantrest.org/2007/02/18/3abn-sa...ons-retirement/ http://anewsabbathschool.blogspot.com/2006...ain-wrecks.html http://cafesda.blogspot.com/2006/08/atoday...bn-news_21.html http://www.atoday.com/email/2007/02/12/ http://spectrummagazine.typepad.com/the_sp...eans_and_e.html |
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