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[watchbird]

Did you mean ginger - of which Ellen speaks quite favorably?

No, I meant Cayenne.... (red peppers)..... though this is second hand information and I do not have a reference for it. Ellen spoke against pepper using the generic term... but seemingly she meant black pepper.... and naturopath and nutrition physicians still advise against black pepper at the same time they extol hot peppers (which are not technically a spice, but a member of the nightshade family along with tomatoes and potatoes). She was against spices in the amounts they used in those days because they irritated the stomach. Black pepper does that... cayenne does not... in fact it has a salubrious and warming effect on the inner organs. Cayenne has observable near instantaneous healing effects on a cut wound in that it will stop bleeding and bind the skin together within seconds.. or a few minutes if the cut is deep. It will heal skin ulcers in a matter of hours. These uses I have experienced personally. It is reported to heal bleeding stomach ulcers within four days, but of this I have only close knowledge, not personal experience. There is a book on the topic which gives even more dramatic effects of larger than normal doses.

[Pickle]

I've always found this one kind of interesting, how it talks about a burnt boot:

Cider drinking leads to the use of stronger drinks. The stomach loses its natural vigor, and something stronger is needed to arouse it to action. On one occasion when my husband and myself were traveling, we were obliged to spend several hours waiting for the train. While we were in the depot, a red-faced, bloated farmer came into the restaurant connected with it, and in a loud, rough voice asked, "Have you first-class brandy?" He was answered in the affirmative, and ordered half a tumbler. "Have you pepper sauce?" "Yes," was the answer. "Well, put in two large spoonfuls." He next ordered two spoonfuls of alcohol added, and concluded by calling for "a good dose of black pepper." The man who was preparing it asked, "What will you do with such a mixture?" He replied, "I guess that will take hold," and placing the full glass to his lips, drank the whole of this fiery compound. Said my husband, "That man has used stimulants until he has destroyed the tender coats of the stomach. I should suppose that they must be as insensible as a burnt boot." (Te 95, 96)

This post has been edited by Pickle: Jun 27 2007, 05:25 AM

[runner4him]

No, I meant Cayenne.... (red peppers)..... though this is second hand information and I do not have a reference for it. Ellen spoke against pepper using the generic term... but seemingly she meant black pepper.... and naturopath and nutrition physicians still advise against black pepper at the same time they extol hot peppers (which are not technically a spice, but a member of the nightshade family along with tomatoes and potatoes). She was against spices in the amounts they used in those days because they irritated the stomach. Black pepper does that... cayenne does not... in fact it has a salubrious and warming effect on the inner organs. Cayenne has observable near instantaneous healing effects on a cut wound in that it will stop bleeding and bind the skin together within seconds.. or a few minutes if the cut is deep. It will heal skin ulcers in a matter of hours. These uses I have experienced personally. It is reported to heal bleeding stomach ulcers within four days, but of this I have only close knowledge, not personal experience. There is a book on the topic which gives even more dramatic effects of larger than normal doses.

It does stimulate the circulation and is used for cardiac purposes at times. Put some in your shoes on a cold winter day and it will warm your feet. Sorry if I am....

[watchbird]

Watchbird would you provide the references where EGW speaks favorably of Cayenne? Thanks!

On the bland and tasteless topic, I don't like hot and spicy food. We have a couple of cooks in our church that make the food so spicy that you can't taste the food itself. I like a rich, hearty flavor but not hot and spicy. there is a difference.

I noticed something once:-) We had a fellow visiting our home with his four children. At mealtime, the two older ones kept salting their plates of food and it was plenty salty already. They would eat a few bites and then sprinkle salt liberally over the whole plateful. (They evidently liked the food, except for the saltiness, because they took several helpings). Later the mother mentioned that her two oldest children really liked hot, spicy food and always added hot sauce to everything. Still later at a potluck, I got a bowl of "plain" pinto beans with cayenne added (I didn't realize it until tasting them). I ate them even though it burned my mouth. For several days, I could not get my food salty enough and had to keep adding salt. My conclusion of this "study" is that hot, spicy foods mess up your taste buds so that you can't taste salt, etc so you need to keep adding the hot stuff to notice any flavor. It creates a cycle. So that's my take on the topic:-)

No, I don't have the references.... as I mentioned above, and I don't see it mentioned by name in the published works CD, so either it is in one of the unpublished collections or a completely second hand personal account.

What I do know is that it was one of the most prominent ingredients in the herbals mixed up by the late Jethro Kloss (whom we knew personally and you may recall by name from the book Back to Eden which was written by his daughter). Mainly, though, I avoided his "remedies" for that very reason, though we all recognized the fantastic healing results he got. It was not until I began hearing the recommendations for it from specialists in the field of nutrition medicine that I began experimenting with it. The liquid extract is usually in an alcohol base, so one has the disinfecting properties of the alchohol along with the healing properties of the cayenne all in one little bottle. Fortunately I had that with me when I was involved in a car accident that gave severe abrasions including a fairly ugly deep gash in my left lower arm. With a bottle of water for cleaning, and the cayenne and a few bandaids to hold the wound together, we patched me up with no stitches and I have only two hairline scars today. With deeper, cleaner cuts, I hold the wound together, sprinkle powdered cayenne on it until it quits bleeding, put bandaids on to hold it together and leave it for a few days. With ulcers I used a poultice made from a cayenne and goldenseal capsule "tea"... oddly enough the cayenne after an initial quick burning sensation feels soothing to damaged tissue, though once it has healed the ulcer, it suddenly starts feeling burning again.

As to the salt issue... habit and a probable zinc deficiency are the most likely causes of the children's craving for salt. As to your own experience I have no theories to account for it. Hubby uses cayenne on foods constantly (for the arthritis benefits) and does not experience any desire for additional salt.

[Johann]

The title "Bishop" is a Biblical one. There is nothing wrong with calling yourself a Bishop.

For years (he is now dead) a SDA pastor chaired a somewhat local television show that featured local clergy. He called himself "Bishop," and was wll-known in SDA circles for doing so.

Yes, I remember that early TV program, called "Religious Town Hall" or something like that. His name was Bishop Leiski (or something like that), and I was told then that his real first name was Bishop.

[watchbird]

I've always found this one kind of interesting, how it talks about a burnt boot:

... I doubt if the effect Ellen noted came from the hot sauce... the only good ingredient in his drink. If he had taken that in water or preferaby tomato juice, he would have been warmed as well and healed his stomach instead of damaging it.

It does stimulate the circulation and is used for cardiac purposes at times. Put some in your shoes on a cold winter day and it will warm your feet. Sorry if I am....

That's OK... we all are... doubtless our friendly admins will come along soon and move us all over to the health forum....

But just had to add to your comment... cayenne is the main ingredient in many sports creams... so if you are using a product which warms and soothes aches and pains, you are using cayenne..... maybe without knowing it. Capsaician [sp?] is the active ingredient which is drawn from cayenne.

For those interested, try to find the book called simply Cayenne. It is horribly written, but has some astounding experiences with cayenne by a medical doctor. Some of them are easily adapted for personal use... some of them I think are of the "don't try this at home" variety.

[Pickle]

(understanding horse-trader deals) If she'll agree to these low figures (the bidder indicates they're not worth very much, you see) go ahead and give her the low offer and don't tell anyone you actually sold them for a whole lot more. :wink:

And after talking with Linda a number of times, in my opinion she's the kind of person that might fall for something like that.

Pickle or anyone, are you absolutly certain that the exchange between DS and LS about the horses is real? The real estate deal is older and harder to understand but the apparent tax cheating about the horses is easy and would be worth sharing with Danny's adoring fans

In my opinion, right or wrong, the basic points about using inflated values for the horses and about claiming horse donations as cash donations has been proven to have occurred, but in saying that I am not saying that I know for certain what happened in 2004 and 2005.

In other words, Danny's emails document plans or filings from 2003 through 2005, but those are not necessarily the only years he donated horses.


WB,

I did some reading on the active agent is certain peppers, and it appears that over time a certain amount of them can cause harm to the cells they are stimulating. Not sure where I read it, but it was interesting and did not come from a source that was biased against such things.

[Pickle]

You could hear it. The click, click was audible for about a month. I guess that would be called "hearsay". I started picking up the phone and dialing a friends house who was not home and did not have voice mail or a recorder so I could blow a whistle into the phone.

Fran, I think most people out there would probably think you sound like a kook, and personally, I think what you've said sounds kind of kooky.

But that doesn't mean I don't think you're telling the truth. Gailon and I would talk about whether our phones were tapped, and Gailon was certain they were either by the Feds or the Danny. But he really didn't care what Danny heard since all that would do is make him more paranoid.

It happened over and over again. My family and I heard those clicks while talking on the phone to various people. Over and over again. But now we don't hear them anymore.

And we think we've been under surveilance in other ways too: Strange cars driving by slowly. Cars parked on a road between fields to our east, the only observation place from which someone could watch our house, a place cars never park.

Once my wife and a visitor drove over to that road and passed it since there was a car parked there, and when they did, the white car with the handicap ND tag immediately started up and drove away to the west. They turned around and followed it to Halstad, a town of 622, where the lady in that white car did evasive maneuvers to try and lose them.

Whether Hons Investigations, the folks who served us the lawsuit on April 30, had anything to do with any of that earlier stuff, I don't know.

This post has been edited by Pickle: Jun 27 2007, 06:39 AM

[watchbird]

WB,

I did some reading on the active agent is certain peppers, and it appears that over time a certain amount of them can cause harm to the cells they are stimulating. Not sure where I read it, but it was interesting and did not come from a source that was biased against such things.

The only caution I know about on Cayenne is that one should NEVER use the raw fresh juice... not even externally. It should either be cooked, dried, or prepared in an extract.

But I don't know about the capsician as used in over the counter creams... I do know that there are a few of those that seem to excessively burn for a long time after application, so it could be that what you read was a caution about continued and over-use of some of these products... and capsaician is the "active ingredient" in hot peppers.

But properly prepared, which includes the ground cayenne purchased in the grocery store, its healing effects are so obvious that I don't see how one could say that they were doing "harm to the cells they are stimulating". Possibly this might be true if one kept on applying it to healed skin... for I do know that there is a difference in the way it feels on injured tissue and on well tissue. But used with a modicum of common sense, it is definitely healing, not merely "stimulating".

[Observer]

Yes, I remember that early TV program, called "Religious Town Hall" or something like that. His name was Bishop Leiski (or something like that), and I was told then that his real first name was Bishop.

Johann:

I think that you are basicly correct. However, I do not believe that "Bishop" was his first name. But, I could be wrong.

The SDA pastor who moderated the Religious Twon Hall was Rkobert Leiski. Here is the quote:

Religious diversity and interfaith dialogue have become popular catch phrases in recent years. But at The American Religious Town Hall Meeting they have been broadcasting these ideals for almost 50 years on the air. In fact, the Dallas-based show is the longest running religious program in television history. Moderated by 70-year-old Seventh Day Adventist minister Robert Leiske, the weekly show discusses dicey topics like gun regulation, abortion and homosexuality from an interfaith perspective. Participants represent a wide range of religious faiths, including many Christian denominations, Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists.

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[Fran]

Fran, I think most people out there would probably think you sound like a kook, and personally, I think what you've said sounds kind of kooky.

But that doesn't mean I don't think you're telling the truth. Gailon and I would talk about whether our phones were tapped, and Gailon was certain they were either by the Feds or the Danny. But he really didn't care what Danny heard since all that would do is make him more paranoid.

It happened over and over again. My family and I heard those clicks while talking on the phone to various people. Over and over again. But now we don't hear them anymore.

And we think we've been under surveillance in other ways too: Strange cars driving by slowly. Cars parked on a road between fields to our east, the only observation place from which someone could watch our house, a place cars never park.

Once my wife and a visitor drove over to that road and passed it since there was a car parked there, and when they did, the white car with the handicap ND tag immediately started up and drove away to the west. They turned around and followed it to Halstad, a town of 622, where the lady in that white car did evasive maneuvers to try and lose them.

Whether Hons Investigations, the folks who served us the lawsuit on April 30, had anything to do with any of that earlier stuff, I don't know.

Bob;

A Kook I may be, but it did happen and it is happening again. Yep, the click is back! I expect to lose my computer AGAIN!

I am telling the truth. I am sorry folks if it sounds Kooky. Truth is stranger than fiction. I am also getting hang up calls. I redial the number and blow my whistle as long as I can. Sometimes they call and don't hang up right away, but get the full effects of the whistle and then I get a fast hang up!

Folks, this is no joking matter. My only consolation is that I am really boring. Somebody is probably getting paid to monitor my business. I wish I had their job! Easy money!

I am still trying to figure out what is so interesting about me!

[PeacefulBe]

Bob;

A Kook I may be, but it did happen and it is happening again. Yep, the click is back! I expect to lose my computer AGAIN!

I am telling the truth. I am sorry folks if it sounds Kooky. Truth is stranger than fiction. I am also getting hang up calls. I redial the number and blow my whistle as long as I can. Sometimes they call and don't hang up right away, but get the full effects of the whistle and then I get a fast hang up!

Folks, this is no joking matter. My only consolation is that I am really boring. Somebody is probably getting paid to monitor my business. I wish I had their job! Easy money!

I am still trying to figure out what is so interesting about me!

Fran,

I, for one, don't think you are a kook. You may be, indeed have experienced and are experiencing electronic surveillance again. The stakes are high in this saga, after all.

However, I once watched a "Psychic" on Larry King who explained that those calls where nobody is there are actually from dead loved ones who just want to reach out and touch someone. I didn't put much stock in her theory, for if they had the wherewithal to dial the phone in the first place it is just downright mean-"spirited" of them not to say at least of few words of greeting.

And we think we've been under surveilance in other ways too: Strange cars driving by slowly. Cars parked on a road between fields to our east, the only observation place from which someone could watch our house, a place cars never park.

Once my wife and a visitor drove over to that road and passed it since there was a car parked there, and when they did, the white car with the handicap ND tag immediately started up and drove away to the west. They turned around and followed it to Halstad, a town of 622, where the lady in that white car did evasive maneuvers to try and lose them.

Bob,

Speaking of kooky, I certainly hope that white car contained a PI, otherwise, some poor disabled woman probably had one of the scariest experiences of her life.

[Pickle]

Bob;

A Kook I may be, but it did happen and it is happening again. Yep, the click is back! I expect to lose my computer AGAIN!

Hope you realize that my way of saying that was meant to counter people's perceptions that what you were saying shouldn't be taken seriously since it sounds so crazy. We had the clicks, and now we don't.


Better than a whistle, why don't you find out from your local police or DA or federal prosecutors what sort of criminal charges could be filed against whomever, and then when you get a click, start citing the statutes, including the minimum and maximum sentences, and then see how quickly you hear them hang up.

[Panama_Pete]

Fran,

I, for one, don't think you are a kook. You may be, indeed have experienced and are experiencing electronic surveillance again. The stakes are high in this saga, after all.

Speaking of kooky, I certainly hope that white car contained a PI, otherwise, some poor disabled woman probably had one of the scariest experiences of her life.

Private Investigators like to have handicapped license plates so they can use one of those reserved "handicapped" parking spaces in the parking lot when they're tailing somebody. There's nothing worse than having your suspect grab the last parking space with no place for the PI to park.

Some of the best Private Investigators are woman.

There was one woman PI who would circle your house carrying a dog leash. And if she got caught in your bushes, she would say she was looking for Fido, and she showed you Fido's leash to prove why she was sneaking around in your bushes. Nobody would think an old woman with Fido's dog leash could be up to something.

You can now sue for both "overly aggressive" tailing, spying, etc. as well as illegal spying. If you don't know your rights, you don't have any rights.

If Fran thinks she's being being tapped, then she probably is being tapped, etc., and should act accordingly. The mysterious, unidentified "they" depend on you being naive and not on your guard.

Remember, there's this guy somewhere who plays basketball and he tries to win at any cost. It's important, sometimes, to get inside the basketball player's brain to know what's going on. The basketball player has a "coach" who feels exactly the same way about things.

Also, don't forget to read Calvin's recent warning about providing private information to people regarding identities of posters, etc.

This post has been edited by Panama_Pete: Jun 27 2007, 01:19 PM

[Richard Sherwin]

One thing I've learned (and maybe this is more info than ya'll want to know) is that if you are cutting up fresh hot peppers bare handed and you are a guy make very very sure you wash your hands with soap and water before, repeat before heading to the mens room. If you don't you will learn what real pain is. Real bad pain. This has been a public service announcement, now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

Richard

The only caution I know about on Cayenne is that one should NEVER use the raw fresh juice... not even externally. It should either be cooked, dried, or prepared in an extract.

But I don't know about the capsician as used in over the counter creams... I do know that there are a few of those that seem to excessively burn for a long time after application, so it could be that what you read was a caution about continued and over-use of some of these products... and capsaician is the "active ingredient" in hot peppers.

But properly prepared, which includes the ground cayenne purchased in the grocery store, its healing effects are so obvious that I don't see how one could say that they were doing "harm to the cells they are stimulating". Possibly this might be true if one kept on applying it to healed skin... for I do know that there is a difference in the way it feels on injured tissue and on well tissue. But used with a modicum of common sense, it is definitely healing, not merely "stimulating".