Hospitalization Of Danny Shelton, Forwarded Announcement from Club Adventist Options

[PrincessDrRe]

Now let me tell you the facts. The stent was placed in a smaller artery that was 90% blocked. The 2 main arteries of the heart are the ones that are 50% blocked. The severity is that they are not just blocked they are lined with calcium and plaque to the degree that he is not even a candidate for bypass. This was decided several weeks after the stent and all the testing was finished. When you are not a candidate for bypass and the main arteries are closing up, the situation becomes very serious. I won't bother to detail the grimm outlook from the cardiac specialists.

So, if you all you sincere christians want to continue to make fun of this situation, go ahead, I can't stop you, but, it definitely reflects an "attitude" to the lurkers here.

Brother Appletree, just because we want to see Danny come clean doesn't mean we want him to be in poor health. Goodness knows he's under a lot of stress without added worry about his heart. We're praying for his full recovery.

Thank you Bro SE.....

Now.

Appletree.....

I asked serious questions....if you read the entire thread - folks had got off the subject of his "health". I wanted to know. I searched on the internet and didn't find any information.

As for my CHRISTianity for asking questions..... glad you are not the one holding it - glad it's someone "bigger" than you.

Now.

If the man is now healthy and doing "fine".... AMEN! Doesn't take away from the fact that he has stuff he needs to come clean on...but I am glad that he is in "health" now.

Iffin you are gonna try to "check" someone's CHRISTianity then make sure that you are quite clean, not needing to look in a mirror, and without fault your self.

Until then.....

I will merinate. You do the same....

[Pickle]

So, if you all you sincere christians want to continue to make fun of this situation, go ahead, I can't stop you, but, it definitely reflects an "attitude" to the lurkers here.

AppleTree,

Remember when you claimed that you had talked to Kevin Paulson and that the conversation in which Danny said that Brandy had chased him for 17 years didn't really go that way? And so I called Kevin and he told me no one had talked to him about that, and that he still stands by his story, that Danny told him that?

In other words, you have already demonstrated that your word cannot be trusted, and that when you are called on it you refuse to explain the discrepancy.

In yet other words, if you can't provide one shred of documentation to back up your claims regarding Danny's health and tests and such, I am inclined not to believe a word you say. But provide documentation to support your claims, and I can accept that freely.

Fish that swallow everything that comes along get hooked, and end up in the frying pan.

This post has been edited by Pickle: Oct 13 2007, 07:51 PM

[princessdi]

Appletree, by there decision, it is the impression they give. The right thing was to suspend, sideline them both until an investgation was done as to what exactly happened, bringing one or both back according to the results of the investigation. Are you telling me they even once questioned Danny's claim of spiritual adultery? That in it'self is suspect.

Princess Di, were you there? I was and you couldn't be any further from the truth if you tried. (which of course you do.)

[PeacefulBe]

AppleTree,

Remember when you claimed that you had talked to Kevin Paulson and that the conversation in which Danny said that Brandy had chased him for 17 years didn't really go that way? And so I called Kevin and he told me no one had talked to him about that, and that he still stands by his story, that Danny told him that?

In other words, you have already demonstrated that your word cannot be trusted, and that when you are called on it you refuse to explain the discrepancy.

In yet other words, if you can't provide one shred of documentation to back up your claims regarding Danny's health and tests and such, I am inclined not to believe a word you say. But provide documentation to support your claims, and I can accept that freely.

Fish that swallow everything that comes along get hooked, and end up in the frying pan.

Let's extend this metaphor just a bit further. If we members here on the 3abn Forum of BlackSDA.com represent those fish, it stands to reason that documentation and the credibility of the person making the claims and some basic common sense must be used to determine what is appropriate to swallow.

appletree claims he talked to Kevin Paulson. You claim that you also talked to Kevin Paulson and he denies the conversation with appletree. Since there is no documentation from either of you, we are left with credibility and common sense to determine who to believe, if anybody. Both of you are asking us fishies to accept only your word as proof.

Frankly, since much has been made of the issue of Danny's statement about how long Brandy had been chasing him, and now we have conflicting accounts about the eyewitness to that statement, it seems it is a rather important issue to verify as it would reveal credibility, or lack of it, when shown whether true or false. Getting documentation from Kevin Paulson, such as a simple email statement, would be one way to do that and would settle who is telling the truth and who is fibbing.

As far as appletree's reports on Danny's health, I don't see how that is an issue that would cause any fish to end up in the frying pan if we take appletree's word for it. This is one of those instances where it seems quite safe to give appletree the benefit of the doubt. If he is giving us faulty information, that will become evident over time and will have a severe impact on his credibility.

Do you have reasons for doubting appletree's reports on Danny's health? Do you really think it is necessary to see medical records? If so, can you explain why? Do you suspect that the medical crisis is false and being used to manipulate folks?

I understand the need and motivation to get to the bottom of the Kevin Paulson issue but would appreciate clarification as to why you seem to see the health reports issue as comparable.

[Whtz Happenin]

Now let me tell you the facts. The stent was placed in a smaller artery that was 90% blocked. The 2 main arteries of the heart are the ones that are 50% blocked. The severity is that they are not just blocked they are lined with calcium and plaque to the degree that he is not even a candidate for bypass. This was decided several weeks after the stent and all the testing was finished. When you are not a candidate for bypass and the main arteries are closing up, the situation becomes very serious. I won't bother to detail the grimm outlook from the cardiac specialists.

So, if you all you sincere christians want to continue to make fun of this situation, go ahead, I can't stop you, but, it definitely reflects an "attitude" to the lurkers here.

How is your recovery going? Did you share a while back that you had another stent put in or am I thinking of someone else?

[Whtz Happenin]

Let's extend this metaphor just a bit further. If we members here on the 3abn Forum of BlackSDA.com represent those fish, it stands to reason that documentation and the credibility of the person making the claims and some basic common sense must be used to determine what is appropriate to swallow.

appletree claims he talked to Kevin Paulson. You claim that you also talked to Kevin Paulson and he denies the conversation with appletree. Since there is no documentation from either of you, we are left with credibility and common sense to determine who to believe, if anybody. Both of you are asking us fishies to accept only your word as proof.

Frankly, since much has been made of the issue of Danny's statement about how long Brandy had been chasing him, and now we have conflicting accounts about the eyewitness to that statement, it seems it is a rather important issue to verify as it would reveal credibility, or lack of it, when shown whether true or false. Getting documentation from Kevin Paulson, such as a simple email statement, would be one way to do that and would settle who is telling the truth and who is fibbing.

As far as appletree's reports on Danny's health, I don't see how that is an issue that would cause any fish to end up in the frying pan if we take appletree's word for it. This is one of those instances where it seems quite safe to give appletree the benefit of the doubt. If he is giving us faulty information, that will become evident over time and will have a severe impact on his credibility.

Do you have reasons for doubting appletree's reports on Danny's health? Do you really think it is necessary to see medical records? If so, can you explain why? Do you suspect that the medical crisis is false and being used to manipulate folks?

I understand the need and motivation to get to the bottom of the Kevin Paulson issue but would appreciate clarification as to why you seem to see the health reports issue as comparable.

Maybe Appletree was present during the conversation and heard the exchange between Danny and Kevin. This would explain why Kevin has said that no one has called him to ask about it. Appletree seems to work or has worked very closely with DS.

This post has been edited by Whtz Happenin: Oct 14 2007, 12:58 AM

[Ian]

Appletree,

For those of us who have some degree of medical knowledge, the question for me is where are the 50% blockages located in the arteries you refer to as "main arteries". Are they located in the first 1/3 of the affected arteries? In my experience this would be a better indicator of whether DS would be a candidate for cardiac artery bypass grafting when blockages are estimated to be below 70%. Another issue would be the size of any of the vessels that come off those "main arteries" and how well they are supplying blood to the rest of the heart tissue despite any blockages that have been found.

Another question for me would be the results of the most recent cardiac stress test and what stage it ended and if he showed any abnormal cardiac rhythms. Obviously there are other tests I could mention as well.

This is not an attempt to make light of an obvious serious situation. It is just the information I have read does not really give me an accurate picture of his cardiac condition nor do I expect to ever know that information.

Like many I wish him improved health and a long life.

nw

It is also my personal understanding that HIS DOCTORS have already given their opinion and diagnosis. It was they who said a bypass is not an option, and that is why he is not a candidate for a bypass, what does that tell you about where the partially blocked arteries are?

I don't think we need to undermine or belittle what has been reported, nor play play monday morning quarterback here, especially as you don't have access to his records, or test results, nor do you ever expect to, as you say. With good reason. Privacy issues and patient confidentiality apply here.


Alternative medicine, natural remedies and prayer is what is needed at this point.

I myself am praying for him.

This post has been edited by Ian: Oct 14 2007, 12:21 AM

[Noahswife]

It is also my personal understanding that HIS DOCTORS have already given their opinion and diagnosis. It was they who said a bypass is not an option, and that is why he is not a candidate for a bypass, what does that tell you about where the partially blocked arteries are?

I don't think we need to undermine or belittle what has been reported, nor play play monday morning quarterback here, especially as you don't have access to his records, or test results, nor do you ever expect to, as you say. With good reason. Privacy issues and patient confidentiality apply here.
Alternative medicine, natural remedies and prayer is what is needed at this point.

I myself am praying for him.

Ian, thanks for your reply and comments that help make my point.

To answer your question, the fact surgery has not been recommended tells me that the blockages are not located in critical areas of any coronary artery and not that his condition is SO bad that he is not a candidate.

My point is/was that without additional information that I will not see I cannot reach a conclusion as to the medical severity or functional limitations of DS's cardiac condition. I see nothing that suggests his life is in imminent danger or that he can't do pretty much anything he did before. I see a situation where he needs more aggressive treatment to prevent progression of the disease.

Do you think the information tells us anything more than that?

[Johann]

Alternative medicine, natural remedies and prayer is what is needed at this point.

I myself am praying for him.

Ian, are you reflecting Danny's desire, or are you speaking for yourself?

What you mention here seems to have been close to the great contention right from the beginning. As you probably all know this started while I was working for 3ABN, and both Linda and Danny expressed their desire to help my wife, Irmgard, find healing from her fatal cancer. Yes, they were willing to help, but Linda believed in natural remedies, and did all she could to help us find the therapy which might heal the dreadful disease. To us it appeared that Danny and Dr. Walt Thomson fought this with all their might, and we were told this was due to what happened to his Danny's mother. . .

Dr. Arild Abrahamsen was very interested in our case, and he wanted to know what the "experts" in America could do for Irmgard, so he told us he'd come and visit us and he wanted to meet those who could be of assistance to Irmgard. We experienced then how Danny masterminded, with the assistance of several others, this visit to make a case against Linda in an attempt to accuse her of adultery. The main point, from the beginning, was a distinction between standard medicine and the alternative with natural remedies. How could Alternative medicine and natural remedies then suddenly become the right cure for Danny when he gets sick?

Is Danny now using this distinction to get rid of someone else, or has something else changed?

This post has been edited by Johann: Oct 14 2007, 12:09 PM

[Brenda]

Ian, thanks for your reply and comments that help make my point.

To answer your question, the fact surgery has not been recommended tells me that the blockages are not located in critical areas of any coronary artery and not that his condition is SO bad that he is not a candidate.

My point is/was that without additional information that I will not see I cannot reach a conclusion as to the medical severity or functional limitations of DS's cardiac condition. I see nothing that suggests his life is in imminent danger or that he can't do pretty much anything he did before. I see a situation where he needs more aggressive treatment to prevent progression of the disease.

Do you think the information tells us anything more than that?

Thank you NW for a very wise post. (I have a medical background too, but not in cardiology.)

I will join others as they pray for Danny's health to be preserved.

[Brick Step]

... What you mention here seems to have been close to the great contention right from the beginning. As you probably all know this started while I was working for 3ABN, and both Linda and Danny expressed their desire to help my wife, Irmgard, find healing from her fatal cancer. Yes, they were willing to help, but Linda believed in natural remedies, and did all she could to help us find the therapy which might heal the dreadful disease. To us it appeared that Danny and Dr. Walt Thomson fought this with all their might, and we were told this was due to what happened to his Danny's mother. . .

Dr. Arild Abrahamsen was very interested in our case, and he wanted to know what the "experts" in America could do for Irmgard, so he told us he'd come and visit us and he wanted to meet those who could be of assistance to Irmgard. We experienced then how Danny masterminded, with the assistance of several others, this visit to make a case against Linda in an attempt to accuse her of adultery. The main point, from the beginning, was a distinction between standard medicine and the alternative with natural remedies. How could Alternative medicine and natural remedies then suddenly become the right cure for Danny when he gets sick?

... has something else changed?

Very interesting.

[Panama_Pete]

Do you suspect that the medical crisis is false and being used to manipulate folks?

The possibility had crossed my mind that Mr. Shelton's medical files are being jammed into the same filing cabinet that may already be stuffed full with evidence regarding Linda Shelton.

[Fran]

Ian, thanks for your reply and comments that help make my point.

To answer your question, the fact surgery has not been recommended tells me that the blockages are not located in critical areas of any coronary artery and not that his condition is SO bad that he is not a candidate.

My point is/was that without additional information that I will not see I cannot reach a conclusion as to the medical severity or functional limitations of DS's cardiac condition. I see nothing that suggests his life is in imminent danger or that he can't do pretty much anything he did before. I see a situation where he needs more aggressive treatment to prevent progression of the disease.

Do you think the information tells us anything more than that?

NW;

A friend of mine just had a stint put in also. The doctor said the main artery was 100% blocked, and 2 secondary arteries were almost 75% blocked. Since she has multiple other diseases, they would not consider any bypass.

She had a heart attack and lived. Then she had kidney failure and was saved from that! She had to have 11 pints of blood and then had stomach and intestinal problems. After that, her bladder was damaged by the catheter! She spent a week in CICU and a week in a room. Once she was placed in a room, they found she had a serious blood infection and was getting very sick very fast. She called all her children home thinking this was it! The doctors could not find the infection anywhere.

She was able to direct the doctors right to the infection. They took a culture and sure enough it matched the infection in the blood. The pharmacy prepared a special concoction of antibiotics in a bag knocked it right out.

It was not fun to see her go through that. So I am sure it was not fun Danny or his family. I am pleased he is well and headed for a full recovery.

My friend has a pharmacy in her house! Pills, Pills and more Pills! God really let her know that he still has plans for her as he obviously has shown Danny too. I am praying for his full recovery and that he will be able to see Jesus face to face and make right all the wrongs that he has caused. My friend says that she is preparing to meet Jesus when he comes.

My friend is a bit more serious about God's plans for her life. The doctors have told her for years she is living on borrowed time and she did not fight for her life in the hospital. She just accepted whatever God's will was for her. She was ready to meet her maker, but God did not require her to pass on quite yet.

She told me that while the EMT's were working on her in the ambulance, between answering their questions, she kept asking God to bring her up in the right Resurrection. Once they left the driveway, the EMT in the back with her asked her what she meant. She said she told him of 2 Resurrections through the morphine and drugs! He listened and said he would look that up, but told her he had no intention of letting her die on his watch! She remembers every detail of what happened. She was able to talk to everyone and knew what was happening.

She is now recuperating waiting for her body to absorb those 11 pints of blood lost in her somewhere. They never found where the leak was either. Yes, God is good. My friend can be with her family for yet a while.

[Pickle]

appletree claims he talked to Kevin Paulson. You claim that you also talked to Kevin Paulson and he denies the conversation with appletree.

Not really. AppleTree said he talked to a pastor, but never stated who. And since he refused to respond, it gives the impression he got caught in a lie.

Getting documentation from Kevin Paulson, such as a simple email statement, would be one way to do that and would settle who is telling the truth and who is fibbing.

Another option would be for anyone who wants to to call him. Try finding his number via WhitePages.com in NY, NY.

As far as appletree's reports on Danny's health, .... This is one of those instances where it seems quite safe to give appletree the benefit of the doubt. ...

Do you have reasons for doubting appletree's reports on Danny's health?

Tommy stood accused of calling allegations of sexual misconduct "persecution." On August 10, 2006, Danny over the airwaves essentially did the same thing.

Tommy stood accused of suddenly having health problems when allegations surfaced, and then recovering after everything blew over. Danny now has health problems, which leads one to suspect that it's a way to get sympathy and distract from the issues at hand.

Now to clear the air of such suspicions, AppleTree can simply provide documentation to back up his claims.

[Pickle]

Maybe Appletree was present during the conversation and heard the exchange between Danny and Kevin. This would explain why Kevin has said that no one has called him to ask about it. Appletree seems to work or has worked very closely with DS.

Good thought, but it doesn't harmonize with what AppleTree said. I believe he said he contacted the pastor who told him that that was not how the conversation went. He then proceeded to describe how the pastor described the conversation.