3abn To Summarize...., what is the crime? Options

[Johann]

Again, since 3ABN, like EWTN (the Catholic channel), is devoted to religious programming that targets the teaching of a specific denomination... it is a red herring to say is must not matter since people outside of the denomination it targets are not even aware of it's existence, much less the ongoing issues with it's management.

The question is does it matter to the target audience of the channel...and whether the problems, once known, detrimatentally affect the denomination's attempts to evangelize utilizing the network as a tool to further said evangelism...

I would have to say the answers are 'yes'... and 'yes'... btjm.

In His service,
Mr. J

3ABN is still merely a private organization. Not long ago 3ABN made a statement that it was not affiliated with any denomination.

The offical TV network of the Seventh-day Adventist Church is HOPE and not 3ABN. Why not turn our support to our own TV channel?

[beartrap]

Adventists are having hard time appreciating that in the land of its birth and the most influential nation on earth, Adventism does not appear on the radar screen. Ten Commandments Day has come and gone and only in Adventist/3ABN circles was it a news item. It's over, including the shouting. We are yet to make the difference were we should. We have forgotten that true leaders always come from among the people. If you come with the message that you are superior to the people you can NEVER become their leader.

Another thing many Adventists seem to have forgotten is that the Ten Commandments will be viewed as a curse by the listeners when those teaching them are an unpleasant sort who care about money, noteriety, the law, and being viewed as better and smarter, more than about people

[awesumtenor]

3ABN is still merely a private organization. Not long ago 3ABN made a statement that it was not affiliated with any denomination.

The offical TV network of the Seventh-day Adventist Church is HOPE and not 3ABN. Why not turn our support to our own TV channel?

The fact of it's being a private organization is not in question...from the perspective of it as a legal entity... however, the continual displaying of pastors and evangelists employed by the Adventist church, ubiquitous programming slanted to promote Adventist doctrine, and the perpetual appeals for and receipt of donations from members of the Adventist church almost exclusively makes that distinction almost non-existent.

Until the church puts as much of it's weight and authority behind the Hope Channel, including pulling it's flagship shows like Amazing Facts and It is Written from 3ABN and putting them on Hope, the perception will continue to be that 3ABN is an essential part of the church's utilization of that medium... even if that perception is wrong. People believe what they see... and when 3ABN is broadcasting from Adventist churches and pushing denomination produced evangelist as part of their daily fare, then what is seen is that the church supports 3ABN, often in lieu of and to the detriment to it's own network.

In His service,
Mr. J

[Guest_statrei_*]

Amazing Facts is not run by the church. It is a private organization.

[princessdi]

Right, Darius, but then there again, the lines are blurred, if not nonexistent for some or most.

I'd like to say also, that I agree with Kevin. It is not necessary for the general public to be "familiar" with something before it becomes newsworthy. If I am not mistaken, Jimmy Swaggart and PTL had nowhere near the audience that any ministry has today with satellites and the shear amount of chirstian 24/7 channels available, and they both made national news. That goes for Benny Hinn, and the rest that have found themselves the subject of media investigations. People will read about your history while the read about your downfall.

This post has been edited by princessdi: May 8 2006, 12:45 PM

[awesumtenor]

Amazing Facts is not run by the church. It is a private organization.

Headed and hosted by Doug Batchelor, a denominational employee of the Adventist Church, and existing for the purpose of perpetuating the doctrines and teachings of said church.

No attempt is made by either the church or Amazing Facts to be viewed as separate, distinct or unrelated in any wise. To any who is not aware of what the legal relationship is between AF and the church, they are one in the same; just slightly different means to the same end; different puppets moved by the same puppeteer.

In His service,
Mr. J

[Guest_statrei_*]

No attempt is made by either the church or Amazing Facts to be viewed as separate, distinct or unrelated in any wise. To any who is not aware of what the legal relationship is between AF and the church, they are one in the same; just slightly different means to the same end; different puppets moved by the same puppeteer.

In His service,
Mr. J

The AF website calls AF "an international, independent Christian ministry "

[awesumtenor]

The AF website calls AF "an international, independent Christian ministry "

that must settle it then... after all we've never known church affiliated organizations to downplay ( or outright conceal ) their association with Adventism...

In His service,
Mr. J

[Guest_statrei_*]

that must settle it then... after all we've never known church affiliated organizations to downplay ( or outright conceal ) their association with Adventism...

In His service,
Mr. J

I was as surprised when I first saw that. Makes you wonder why? If they were church affiliated their staff would have to be in the Yearbook.

[summertime]

3ABN is still merely a private organization. Not long ago 3ABN made a statement that it was not affiliated with any denomination.

The offical TV network of the Seventh-day Adventist Church is HOPE and not 3ABN. Why not turn our support to our own TV channel?

Johann, then can someone kindly explain to me why, after I spent money to get the Hope dish installed in my home becasue I really do not want to depend on 3ABN much anymore, when I turned Hope channels on, the first thing I saw carried by the network was more of 3ABN being shown by the Hope Network. I have even written to Hope to ask that question, and I have never received an answer to that question.

[Panama_Pete]

No attempt is made by either the church or Amazing Facts to be viewed as separate, distinct or unrelated in any wise. To any who is not aware of what the legal relationship is between AF and the church, they are one in the same; just slightly different means to the same end; different puppets moved by the same puppeteer.

In His service,
Mr. J

If you apply for employement at Amazing Facts, you will be told it is part of the Adventist Church. At least, this is the impression they are trying to convey.

http://www.amazingfacts.org/news/read_news.asp?ID=68

"Although Amazing Facts, Inc. is an equal opportunity employer that does not discriminate in its employement policies and practices on the basis of race, national origin, gender, color, age, marital status, disability, or any other basis prohibited by law, it is a religious association and a part of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. The employement practices reflect religious preferences in harmony with the U.S. Constitution and controlling law, and it therefore hires only Seventh-day Adventist Church members in good standing."

On their Contributions page they say:

https://www.amazingfacts.org/join_us/contributions.asp

"By making a cash donation to Amazing Facts today, you're helping an international, independent Christian ministry deliver the good news of the gospel to the world."


Therefore, I gather that Amazing Facts is totally independently part of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

This post has been edited by Panama_Pete: May 9 2006, 06:42 AM

[Zephyr]

If you apply for employement at Amazing Facts, you will be told it is part of the Adventist Church. At least, this is the impression they are trying to convey.

http://www.amazingfacts.org/news/read_news.asp?ID=68

"Although Amazing Facts, Inc. is an equal opportunity employer that does not discriminate in its employement policies and practices on the basis of race, national origin, gender, color, age, marital status, disability, or any other basis prohibited by law, it is a religious association and a part of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. The employement practices reflect religious preferences in harmony with the U.S. Constitution and controlling law, and it therefore hires only Seventh-day Adventist Church members in good standing."

Which show that AF is not trying to conceal its SDA relationships. AF follows somewhat the long standing practice of tv ministries in not always flaunting their denominational leanings, if any. Yet this practice is only loosely followed in its case. Of all tv ministries (barring Catholic ministries), I have not found an "independent" tv ministry that more readily declares its religious affiliation than AF.

[Panama_Pete]

Which show that AF is not trying to conceal its SDA relationships. AF follows somewhat the long standing practice of tv ministries in not always flaunting their denominational leanings, if any. Yet this practice is only loosely followed in its case. Of all tv ministries (barring Catholic ministries), I have not found an "independent" tv ministry that more readily declares its religious affiliation than AF.

That's true, you would have a difficult time not recognizing the Adventist Church in a "Central Study Hour" broadcast from inside an Adventist Church.

[Johann]

Johann, then can someone kindly explain to me why, after I spent money to get the Hope dish installed in my home becasue I really do not want to depend on 3ABN much anymore, when I turned Hope channels on, the first thing I saw carried by the network was more of 3ABN being shown by the Hope Network. I have even written to Hope to ask that question, and I have never received an answer to that question.

Seems like I cannot get the program to send my reply. . .

Some months ago HOPE and 3ABN co-produced an evangelsitic series which may still be run by HOPE. This may be the reason you will still see both the 3ABN and HOPE logos on your screen. This co-production may have been planned a very long time ago. How many more co-productions are planned I do not know.

[simplysaved]

To summarize....OBSESSION.... And they thought the Vegetarian threads were something...

PRAY for what you believe/know is wrong...go to the people to address the concerns, according to scripture, and then let go and LET GOD....

I am with Lady Tenor on this one....I'm done too....