An Unauthorized History of 3ABN, Chapter 5 (thread was closed then reopened) Options

[sonshineonme]

Who is this guy?

I think we may be talking of Garwin McNeilus...I could be wrong.
Someone that knows for sure, please correct me if I am.

[Chez]

I think we may be talking of Garwin McNeilus...I could be wrong.
Someone that knows for sure, please correct me if I am.

I am in the dark. Who is Garwin McNeilus and what does he have to do with the SDA Church?

Chez

[sonshineonme]

I am in the dark. Who is Garwin McNeilus and what does he have to do with the SDA Church?

Chez

You can google him - you will find quite a bit - He has also had the trucking company in MN for some years now, among other things...long time supporter and giver in many ways with the SDA church.

You can google him - you will find quite a bit - He has also had the trucking company in MN for some years now, among other things...long time supporter and giver in many ways with the SDA church.

Here's a link to see
http://www.adventist.org/world_church/offi..._1_billion.html

[Chez]

I am in the dark. Who is Garwin McNeilus and what does he have to do with the SDA Church?

Chez

I goggled "Garwin McNeilus." I see that he is in my neck of the woods. He appears to be a member of the Dodge Center Church. I think. (I'm not sure.) This 3ABN saga is "dangerously" interesting.

[sonshineonme]

I goggled "Garwin McNeilus." I see that he is in my neck of the woods. He appears to be a member of the Dodge Center Church. I think. (I'm not sure.) This 3ABN saga is "dangerously" interesting.

You are getting it now...

[Chez]

You are getting it now...

Thanks. I googled (not "goggled") him.

[sonshineonme]

Thanks. I googled (not "goggled") him.

I knew what you meant!! You're forgiven, in my personal IM to you, I put "autobiography" instead of "history"....brother!

[Johann]

If your truly doing God's work, than losing someone's financial backing won't be able to hurt you, because the money WILL come from somewhere else. And if it doesn't than you time is over, and God will find a different way to spread his message. Compromising can be a good thing, except when we compromise the right thing for financial gain....

btmo

Is it a question if we have faith or merely access to money? Which is more important to the Church of God?

This post has been edited by Johann: May 10 2006, 05:55 PM

[gracetoyou]

There is an Adventist man who publishes a national newsletter (and website) which has reported numerous stories on apostasies, heresies and scandals in Adventistland (Folkenberg, David Dennis,
Morris Venden, John Osborne, conference financial mismanagement, etc.) This is not his only subject matter, but he is about the only medium I know of that exposes things that you won't read about in the Review.

He is not afraid to take on the big boys.

If any of the forum members would like to give him first hand information about the Shelton situation, please state your interest so that he can get in touch with you. He may already be preparing a report about the Shelton saga. He has already stated to me that he believed Linda was innocent and was also dismayed about the purchase of Danny's jet ( he seemed unaware of the other extravagances).

If you believe this is not the right time for public exposure, state that too so that if he is in the process of preparing a report, he can hold off on it until you think the time is right.

"Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them." Eph. 5:11

[sister]

“The Televangelist”, Part 2...

Again returning to my computer, I continue reading from the document known as “The Televangelist”:

“He learned that if he had reason to worry that someone knew too much about him, he could preempt anything that person might do by discrediting them. He could concoct a nasty story; usually sex based, and spread it around to their friends, family, church leaders, civic leaders, employers, potential employers, business associates and others. He also applied the label, “pathological liar” to them. Then, if that person ever exposed anything it was said to just be the revenge of an angry liar.”

The words that I have just read sadden me because they ring true in my mind. The concepts revealed are more befitting of advice on how to secure the downfall of a human and their entrance into the depths of despair, rather than the spin strategy in an independent ministry. In type it mirrors the letters written from a senior devil, Screwtape, to his subordinate Wormwood, a junior Tempter, on how to secure the damnation of a human, in “The Screwtape Letters” by C. S. Lewis. But instead it is the techniques employed by a televangelist, the head of a Christian ministry, in doing “damage control”.

I would find this impossible to believe, had I not seen this concept executed, from the administrative wing of 3ABN. It is frightening to see the wheels being put into motion, to witness the sinister intent of a man who has set himself up as “god” within his ministry, played out before one’s very eyes.

With a determined look on his face Danny walks out of his office, like a soldier in full field gear—arrayed for battle, his body language and the grim set of his lips speak volumes as he walks into Mollie’s open office door... The time period of this event? The page turning into the new century has already past and time begins to accelerate toward the present.

For those who work in 3ABN’s administration department, the consequences of crossing Danny is not just rumor, but something both seen, heard, and by some experienced. In addition to these privileged few, there are others that have also heard murmurings between Danny and Mollie. In the emotions of the minute, minds intent upon the subject under discussion; unnoticed, a silent witness overhear the hushed voices. And for a brief instant, like lightening illuminating the darkened landscape, everything is laid bare and sense can be made of secrets whispered in the hallways of 3ABN and the source of each utterance is the same: Danny.

Danny is known for using incidents in his own life or the experiences of his relatives as a fertile field for fabricating the falsehoods needed to insure the downfall of those whom he perceives as in opposition to him. This day is no different, the lies to discredit this individual involves the viewing of online pornography. Danny, himself, has both fabricated this falsehood and personally feeds the grist for the rumor mill. No shred of evidence exists, except as a ripe harvest from his fertile field of a twisted imagination.

As Danny leaves Mollies office, his step is lighter and a smug smile returns to his face, entering his office we can only imagine his satisfaction as he reviews his plan to annihilate his “enemy”. The gossip and rumor mill will work overtime with this information. Unfortunately for Danny, he has forgotten that there are unseen eyes and ears at 3ABN and not all of them listen and report only to him....

Stayed tuned for Part 3...

[sonshineonme]

“The Televangelist”, Part 2...

Again returning to my computer, I continue reading from the document known as “The Televangelist”:

“He learned that if he had reason to worry that someone knew too much about him, he could preempt anything that person might do by discrediting them. He could concoct a nasty story; usually sex based, and spread it around to their friends, family, church leaders, civic leaders, employers, potential employers, business associates and others. He also applied the label, “pathological liar” to them. Then, if that person ever exposed anything it was said to just be the revenge of an angry liar.”

The words that I have just read sadden me because they ring true in my mind. The concepts revealed are more befitting of advice on how to secure the downfall of a human and their entrance into the depths of despair, rather than the spin strategy in an independent ministry. In type it mirrors the letters written from a senior devil, Screwtape, to his subordinate Wormwood, a junior Tempter, on how to secure the damnation of a human, in “The Screwtape Letters” by C. S. Lewis. But instead it is the techniques employed by a televangelist, the head of a Christian ministry, in doing “damage control”.

I would find this impossible to believe, had I not seen this concept executed, from the administrative wing of 3ABN. It is frightening to see the wheels being put into motion, to witness the sinister intent of a man who has set himself up as “god” within his ministry, played out before one’s very eyes.

With a determined look on his face Danny walks out of his office, like a soldier in full field gear—arrayed for battle, his body language and the grim set of his lips speak volumes as he walks into Mollie’s open office door... The time period of this event? The page turning into the new century has already past and time begins to accelerate toward the present.

For those who work in 3ABN’s administration department, the consequences of crossing Danny is not just rumor, but something both seen, heard, and by some experienced. In addition to these privileged few, there are others that have also heard murmurings between Danny and Mollie. In the emotions of the minute, minds intent upon the subject under discussion; unnoticed, a silent witness overhear the hushed voices. And for a brief instant, like lightening illuminating the darkened landscape, everything is laid bare and sense can be made of secrets whispered in the hallways of 3ABN and the source of each utterance is the same: Danny.

Danny is known for using incidents in his own life or the experiences of his relatives as a fertile field for fabricating the falsehoods needed to insure the downfall of those whom he perceives as in opposition to him. This day is no different, the lies to discredit this individual involves the viewing of online pornography. Danny, himself, has both fabricated this falsehood and personally feeds the grist for the rumor mill. No shred of evidence exists, except as a ripe harvest from his fertile field of a twisted imagination.

As Danny leaves Mollies office, his step is lighter and a smug smile returns to his face, entering his office we can only imagine his satisfaction as he reviews his plan to annihilate his “enemy”. The gossip and rumor mill will work overtime with this information. Unfortunately for Danny, he has forgotten that there are unseen eyes and ears at 3ABN and not all of them listen and report only to him....

Stayed tuned for Part 3...

Danny knows that he is being watched, not only by God and his angels, but, also by those he thinks he has quieted - or fear him enough to say anything. Paranoia has set in.
Numbers 32:23, "But if ye will not do so, behold, ye have sinned against the Lord: and be sure your sin will find you out." I once had a boss much like this - because he thought himself so high and mighty, he ASSUMED others did as well - therefore he carried himself around with this attitude, only, he was in his own world, we knew what he really was. He just didn't know we knew. Yet.

[sister]

Danny knows that he is being watched, not only by God and his angels, but, also by those he thinks he has quieted - or fear him enough to say anything. Paranoia has set in.
Numbers 32:23, "But if ye will not do so, behold, ye have sinned against the Lord: and be sure your sin will find you out."

I think Paranoia is a well known companion. Perhaps the problem is related to additional disorders that are accompanying it?

[Clay]

There is an Adventist man who publishes a national newsletter (and website) which has reported numerous stories on apostasies, heresies and scandals in Adventistland (Folkenberg, David Dennis,
Morris Venden, John Osborne, conference financial mismanagement, etc.) This is not his only subject matter, but he is about the only medium I know of that exposes things that you won't read about in the Review.

He is not afraid to take on the big boys.

If any of the forum members would like to give him first hand information about the Shelton situation, please state your interest so that he can get in touch with you. He may already be preparing a report about the Shelton saga. He has already stated to me that he believed Linda was innocent and was also dismayed about the purchase of Danny's jet ( he seemed unaware of the other extravagances).

If you believe this is not the right time for public exposure, state that too so that if he is in the process of preparing a report, he can hold off on it until you think the time is right.

"Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them." Eph. 5:11

now that's what I am talking about... get it in print... how do I get a copy of the newsletter? you have a website link?

[gracetoyou]

It's www.sdadefend.com by Vance Ferrell. The articles from his newsletter can be found on the website. The newsletter is free. He has been publishing his newletter for many years and is experienced at exposing wrongs both in and outside of the Adventist church. You may e-mail him on the website or call him (phone number is on the website). The more first hand information he can get, the better.

If he decides to write a report on Danny Shelton and his posse, then Linda Shelton supporters can make copies of the report and send them to their friends, relatives and Adventist leaders. When the light is turned on, the roaches run for cover.

"Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy." Proverbs 31:8, 9

"As long as he (King Uzziah) sought the LORD, God gave him success..... His fame spread far and wide, for he was greatly helped until he became powerful. But after Uzziah became powerful, his pride led to his downfall. He was unfaithful to the LORD his God, and entered the temple of the LORD to burn incense on the altar of incense. Azariah the priest with eighty other COURAGEOUS priests of the LORD followed him in. They CONFRONTED him and said, 'It is not right for you, Uzziah, to burn incense to the LORD. That is for the priests, the descendants of Aaron, who have been consecrated to burn incense. Leave the sanctuary, for you will not be honored by the LORD God.'

"Uzziah, who had a censer in his hand ready to burn incense, became angry. While he was raging at the priests in their presence before the incense altar in the LORD's temple, leprosy broke out on his forehead. When Azariah the chief priest and all the other priests looked at him, they saw that he had leprosy on his forehead, so they hurried him out. Indeed, he himself was eager to leave, because the LORD had afflicted him. King Uzziah had leprosy until the day he died."
2 Chronicles 26:5, 15-21

Moral of the story: God's people need to do their part in confronting and dealing with open sin in the church (1 Corinthians 5) and God will do His part in dealing with the guilty if they do not repent and forsake their sin.

[Clay]

It's www.sdadefend.com by Vance Ferrell. The articles from his newsletter can be found on the website. The newsletter is free. He has been publishing his newletter for many years and is experienced at exposing wrongs both in and outside of the Adventist church. You may e-mail him on the website or call him (phone number is on the website). The more first hand information he can get, the better.

How would you describe sdadefend? The site to me would be described as views from the traditional or historic adventist view, would that be a fair characterization?