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[country bumpkin]

If that is the case, God knows how to handle His business. If I recall correctly, when He told them not to build such large facilities, they refused to listen. He dealt with their hard-headedness by sending His angel and burned the places down. If God has issues with Danny, He has ways of handling His business. It should not even be something we need to worry about. In situations like this our job is to pray. God’s job is to handle His business.

[Clay]

If that is the case, God knows how to handle His business. If I recall correctly, when He told them not to build such large facilities, they refused to listen. He dealt with their hard-headedness by sending His angel and burned the places down. If God has issues with Danny, He has ways of handling His business. It should not even be something we need to worry about. In situations like this our job is to pray. God’s job is to handle His business.

Sometimes God uses people to do his business.....

[Richard Sherwin]

Clay you are so right, many times God works through people to get His work done. If the posters on this and other boards are telling the truth (and I believe they are) then it's my feeling that He is working through them to alert the world that Danny and 3abn are not what they seem and change must happen. On the other hand if there are any lies or exaggerations then the means do not justify the end and those posters will be held accountable for their sins.

Richard

[PeacefulBe]

I believe people see what they want to see. I'm sorry if your reputation was affected by this!

It was LONG ago and my reputation was affected only in the eyes of those around me at the time and my supervisors state side. I made peace with that knowing that the truth would be shown someday.

[Johann]

Clay you are so right, many times God works through people to get His work done. If the posters on this and other boards are telling the truth (and I believe they are) then it's my feeling that He is working through them to alert the world that Danny and 3abn are not what they seem and change must happen. On the other hand if there are any lies or exaggerations then the means do not justify the end and those posters will be held accountable for their sins.

Richard

A concerned pastor in the Nortwest USA has used his sabbatical to study this issue. He has come to the following conclusion:

09-09-06

The letter from Dr. Arild Abrahamsen, dated June 20, 2006, in which he sets forth to refute the charges of slander brought against himself and Linda Shelton, isn’t the first information I have ever received about the stuff going on at 3ABN. I know other people who have been close to this situation. It is an unbelievable mess.

If there is even a shred of truth to the letter written by the doctor then there should be a way to get at what really happened back there at 3ABN. A very clear principle is apparently being ignored. The problem is that this principle is violated over and over and over again in the Adventist Church. So God waits. But how long will He continue to wait before He acts with merciful precision and terrifying certainty? When there is serious conflict in any church setting, all the parties involved should be given a “time out” until the issues and conflicts are cleared up completely or exposed for what they really are. This encourages the parties who are in conflict to see exactly how serious this matter is to the entire church. (Consider, by way of example, 2 Thess. 3:14-15; 1 Cor. 5:9-11). If the parties will not cooperate then whatever ministries they are the head of, or involved in, need to come to an end or their personal involvement with that particular ministry must be terminated. Since there seems to be no possible way to bring this kind of pressure on Danny then all individuals who use 3ABN should immediately stop putting programs on the air and should immediately stop attempting to get 3ABN on the air in any venue or location. They should begin a fasting and prayer vigil, pleading with God to do whatever He must do to bring the full truth of this dispute out into the True Light. They should confess and deal with the sins in their own lives so God can work uninhibited. The administrations of the Local Conference, Union Conference and Division need to convene a board of inquiry. This board must be made up of only those people who have no vested interest or conflict of interest with 3ABN. (If it is true that the local Conference President sits on the governing board at 3ABN and that his own parents actually work for 3ABN then I wonder if he ever stopped to think that he has created a huge conflict-of-interest for himself? How is he able to sit on the very board that hires and fires his own constituents? There is no possible way anyone can say that this is exactly the same situation as individuals being hired and fired from the Local Conference. The constituents of the Conference should insist that he immediately resign as Conference President or resign from the 3ABN board). Danny should be told that, until such time this board can hear and decide on this matter the world wide church cannot support 3ABN or use 3ABN for any purpose including any and all public evangelism. He should be told they will not promote it anywhere. (There is one huge item which has been grossly overlooked in all of the charges and character assassination that has taken place. Linda would almost certainly welcome, with open arms, a fair, unbiased hearing to clear the air on this entire matter). Further, they should go to their constituents and acquaintances, whoever they are, and plead with them to stop watching or promoting 3ABN immediately. They should explain the Biblical Principle to their people and begin the fasting and prayer vigil on that level as well. With nothing more than hearsay as charges against Linda, Danny's feet appear to be in a big, big fire, especially given the fact that nobody has ever caught Linda and the doctor in any compromised situation. To my understanding Danny doesn’t even have a charge of literal adultery against her with clear evidence to back up such a charge. But he, Danny, has already gone off and remarried. Can’t we see that the Bible addresses such issues? If the local church refuses to deal with this then where is the leadership at the Local Conference level? If the Local Conference refuses to deal with it then where is the leadership at the Union Conference, and so on up the line? We claim we are situated on the brink of the Second Coming. We think of ourselves as virtually standing on the boarders of the Heavenly Cana. If Israel had refused to deal with the Achan situation they would have been stuck at the ruins of Jericho. Why do we fail to see the parallel here? Yet unbelievably leaders are saying, “It just isn’t our jurisdiction because 3ABN is not a denominationally owned entity.” Question; where is 3ABN located? Question; at what churches are Danny and Linda members? Question; where are these churches located? Question; what entity/ies has/have jurisdiction over these churches? Question; what entity has jurisdiction over those lower entities, and so on up the line? Question; does the organized Seventh-day Adventist Church still use and promote 3ABN as though it is a legitimate Seventh-day Adventist organization? What about the upcoming series of meetings? Finally, how long will we remain stranded at the boarders?

Now I hear that Danny affectionately speaks of his “new wife” right on the air by asking the viewers this rhetorical question: “Isn’t she just the most beautiful thing you have ever seen?” It seems like only a short time ago he was saying very similar things about Linda! Wow! Do we honestly think this ministry is not tainted? A black cloud hangs over it. Who wants to let its darkness blind them? People think they, personally, are innocent yet they continue to use 3ABN to promote their ministries, all the while claiming that these ministries are the Lord's. Others, not just individuals but also entire churches continue to pour millions of dollars into 3ABN. Others continue to promote 3ABN and continue to try to get it on the air in their location so that its ministry can “bless” and “help” the local church “win” new converts! (When the new converts finally discover the black cloud what kind of geriatrics will the local church have to go through to “fix” the situation – and what too about the Local Conference and Etc.)?

People fail to see there is something very seriously wrong at 3ABN. By continuing to use this organization, they also fail to see that they have become party to its specific sins. Why? Because, it is a ministry that supposedly belongs to God and they themselves also claim to belong to God, all within the same remnant church! Why do they become party to its sins? Because, what they fail to cure, especially when God has outlined a way for them to cure it, they become party to themselves. How can a house divided against itself, continue to stand? This cannot be within God's kingdom. We claim to be preparing for heaven and the new earth, yet we know full well such behavior will not be allowed there. Those who carry on in this way or allow such behavior will not enter or else they will have to repent and be changed before they get there. So we see the need for prayer, fasting, confessing and pleading with God; and the need to place demands upon Danny and 3ABN. None of this is easy or pleasant.

This is not the way things should be. Money, power and influence, often hold sway over truth. There is a term for this. It’s called politics. Sadly, there is a very good chance the steps outlined above will never be carried out. Such steps are just too drastic. As is often the case, the stench is rising and spreading everywhere. If we do nothing, eventually it will permeate heaven itself and God will take the reigns into His own hands. Because of the moral weakness and political corruption on the part of some of God's professed people, countless thousands, and in this case possibly hundreds of thousands may be seriously injured or possibly even destroyed. Such needless waste and destruction happens because we didn’t have enough fortitude to take a stand at the beginning and deal with the problem in spite of the initial fallout. All along the way there are increasing levels of fallout, but all along the way God is testing each of us to see if we will now take a stand against what is wrong. Even though the hour is very late and the loss and destruction gets increasingly greater with each passing moment yet He still tests us to see if now we will finally stand. As time passes and the stakes get higher the fallout and loss becomes greater. Finally, because we failed to act, we ourselves get caught in the falling rubble of the building. We discover that now we too are suffering great loss because of our failure to take a stand. We discover that the part of the house divided did not stand. God swept it away and nothing is left.

Until this thing is cleared up I don't see how anyone can, with a clear conscience, have any connection what-so-ever with 3ABN.

God is waiting. What will His people do with this matter?

By His Grace,

ilr


This post has been edited by Johann: Sep 12 2006, 02:26 PM

[PeacefulBe]

Clay you are so right, many times God works through people to get His work done. If the posters on this and other boards are telling the truth (and I believe they are) then it's my feeling that He is working through them to alert the world that Danny and 3abn are not what they seem and change must happen. On the other hand if there are any lies or exaggerations then the means do not justify the end and those posters will be held accountable for their sins.
Richard

I pray we all will heed these wise words of caution.

[PeacefulBe]

Johann, thanks for posting this letter. What is the reason that Pastor ILR didn't use his full name? Is he afraid of repercussions? Just curious.

[Johann]

I pray we all will heed these wise words of caution.

He wanted to, but was adviced not to. If it means that much to you, you can write to me and I might be able to have him talk to you or write to you.

Write to

johann@dirkete.org

I see I got the wrong quote from you, but this one might fit even better!

This post has been edited by Johann: Sep 11 2006, 05:34 PM

[princessdi]

Amen, Amen, whoever that pastor might be!

[country bumpkin]

[Johann,
This, I feel, is a reasonable man, especially if he is dealing primarily with the initial accusation relating to the break-up and remarriage. If he is also referring to the other accusations that are floating around, he needs to write another letter addressing the individuals who think it is their responsibility to spread un-substitutable accusations. As I have said it the past, I think that since Danny has already been approached by individuals as to his inappropriate behavior, that we need to pray and leave the rest in God’s hands. He is better able then any of us to judge fairly and justly as he alone know the heart. I would like to add that the week Danny announced his remarriage, I wrote him personally and made it clear that he had no right to remarry. He did not bother to answer, I received the Walter Thompson Form Letter. I decided then and there that, not only would nothing I could say matter, but that it was not for me to worry about. I figured that if God went thorough so much trouble to get this station where it is today, then it is His responsibility to fix the mess it’s in. Trust me, He can fix this mess and still glorify is name. Where as, I doubt, judging from past experience, if anyone else fixes this situation, anyone’s name will be glorified.

[Johann]

[Johann,
This, I feel, is a reasonable man, especially if he is dealing primarily with the initial accusation relating to the break-up and remarriage. If he is also referring to the other accusations that are floating around, he needs to write another letter addressing the individuals who think it is their responsibility to spread un-substitutable accusations. As I have said it the past, I think that since Danny has already been approached by individuals as to his inappropriate behavior, that we need to pray and leave the rest in God’s hands. He is better able then any of us to judge fairly and justly as he alone know the heart. I would like to add that the week Danny announced his remarriage, I wrote him personally and made it clear that he had no right to remarry. He did not bother to answer, I received the Walter Thompson Form Letter. I decided then and there that, not only would nothing I could say matter, but that it was not for me to worry about. I figured that if God went thorough so much trouble to get this station where it is today, then it is His responsibility to fix the mess it’s in. Trust me, He can fix this mess and still glorify is name. Where as, I doubt, judging from past experience, if anyone else fixes this situation, anyone’s name will be glorified.

We need people around like you, bumpkin, because you have a conviction. You must also permit us, whom the Good Lord has given another conviction to be around too. We feel we have followed what the Lord has told us, through Scripture, to do. We feel we need to pray about this whole thing, and that we also must know what to pray about. We actually invite you to join us in prayer, especially these days when so much is happening. Pray that 3ABN will remain an SDA institution and not one who preaches the church is Babylon, like som of those in control of 3ABN are teaching now. Would you like this TV network to work against our God?

This post has been edited by Johann: Sep 11 2006, 09:23 PM

[September]

[ I would like to add that the week Danny announced his remarriage, I wrote him personally and made it clear that he had no right to remarry. He did not bother to answer, I received the Walter Thompson Form Letter. I decided then and there that, not only would nothing I could say matter, but that it was not for me to worry about. I figured that if God went thorough so much trouble to get this station where it is today, then it is His responsibility to fix the mess it’s in. Trust me, He can fix this mess and still glorify is name. Where as, I doubt, judging from past experience, if anyone else fixes this situation, anyone’s name will be glorified.

I also wrote Danny a letter the week of his re-marriage and I told him that I felt that he was wrong for doing that--I also questioned his "spiritual adultry" reasoning. And OH MY WORD--the NASTY e-mail I got back from him was amazing! It totally showed his true colors. Walt Thompson wrote me too and we corresponded back and forth for a little while...in the end of one of the letters WT said--and I quote--"Danny had every right to re-marry...after all, he's a people person and those type of people get lonely".

OH! Yes...then BY ALL MEANS!!

[PeacefulBe]

I also wrote Danny a letter the week of his re-marriage and I told him that I felt that he was wrong for doing that--I also questioned his "spiritual adultry" reasoning. And OH MY WORD--the NASTY e-mail I got back from him was amazing! It totally showed his true colors. Walt Thompson wrote me too and we corresponded back and forth for a little while...in the end of one of the letters WT said--and I quote--"Danny had every right to re-marry...after all, he's a people person and those type of people get lonely".

OH! Yes...then BY ALL MEANS!!

September, did you post these emails from Danny and WT here on BSDA? They would certainly go a long way to showing the spirit at work in the situation. JMO.

[September]

September, did you post these emails from Danny and WT here on BSDA? They would certainly go a long way to showing the spirit at work in the situation. JMO.

No, I never have...I was nervous, not knowing who visits here...but maybe I should...sounds like the proverbial fat is about to hit the fan there at 3ABN anyway though...

If folks want me to , and think it would be beneficial than I will, how's that?

[Lucyladye]

Quote: No, I never have...I was nervous, not knowing who visits here...but maybe I should...sounds like the proverbial fat is about to hit the fan there at 3ABN anyway though...

If folks want me to , and think it would be beneficial than I will, how's that? Unquote


It would be nice for some of us to see something 'from the horse's mouth' so to speak.