Assault On Danny Shelton, horses, horses and more horses Options

[nick]

Hi nick,
I haven't seen you here before. Welcome! This forum is a "conversation" about many subjects and issues. This one is about 3ABN and how it has apparently changed since it's beginning.
Just a little background that may help ...

Due to the fact that 3ABN has had virtually total control over it's own publicity what we have known about the Sheltons and 3ABN have come to us from those involved in the leadership.

Another point is that Adventists have held dear the commission to "go into all the world and then the end shall come". We have looked forward to going home with Jesus and taking as many as possible with us.

During the months leading to the end of 2003 and in early 2004, we began to notice certain subtle changes in the programs coming from 3ABN. We also saw changes in the "structure" and leadership of 3ABN. Then when 3ABN held the Spring Camp Meeting we saw it played out quite dramatically.

At one point during a program Danny saw two men coming in the back of the auditorium and pointed his finger at them, called them "demons" and told "security" to get them off the premises. Then Danny became very agitated and turned to Mark Finley and told Mark to come and have a special prayer for God's protection.

Danny soon announced that Linda has decided to go another direction other than stay at 3ABN.

People in the know, people who had witnessed "Danny at work" around 3ABN knew that he has been planning to get rid of Linda during the previous year, but needed a "story" to justify it. Danny doesn't like people who have strong foreign accents and the two men who came in the back door did have such accents.

Many of us began to ask questions about what was going on at 3ABN, and what about Linda? We learned that Danny had been "seeing" another woman (Brandy), and Danny came up with the story that Linda had an affair with one of the two men, who happens to live in Norway, and who was the doctor who treated Linda's son for chemical addiction. Danny seized the opportunity to blame him.

As time went by, other individuals came forward to give their own personal accounts of abuse by Danny. Some of them have included offenses against children and employees by Danny's brothers, who are on the payroll at 3ABN.

Time marches on. More first-hand experiences come forth. The story widens in scope, includes "cover-ups" taking place in town, in the county, and in the local SDA "church", and then leads up to the local conference office.

Some of the posts in here have been from some of the victims who cannot hold back any longer, and who want 'justice' "swift and sure". Others realize the power that satellite broadcasting has and want to preserve the tool for further use by God. As more details are revealed about the Shelton Family and about 3ABN management and board, it becomes quite obvious that there are serious problems in the management and operation of 3ABN, and in the personal lives of the management and board.

3ABN is nothing more than a business that produces programs and plays over the satellite uplink other programs that buy time to have their programs sent by satellite and by certain localized Low-Power UHF stations. But because SDA's have a reputation for having a little extra money and they give it liberally for spreading the gospel, they have become easy targets for drawing funds from the SDA membership. Even to include tithe, which they make no excuses for, as 3ABN "thumbs their noses" at the disdain expressed by the SDA Church organization.

3ABN was a good source of Christian broadcasting as an "independent ministry" when it began. It really took off and became more popular and a great source of inspiration when the Vice President and Co-Founder of 3ABN started a new program called "Live". The best part of the program was when Linda sat at the "Porch" of the 3ABN "house" and fed and inspired us all with her "Gems of truth and inspiration".

Linda became the most popular part of 3ABN and it made certain people jealous. Danny became determined to get rid of her and manufactures the story about Linda and Dr. Abrahamsen having "Spiritual Adultery". That's when Danny struck a fatal blow at his own roots. Too many folks didn't 'buy it" and the investigation began. Many, many individuals who cannot tolerate deception and cover-up have begun their own research and investigations.

Some people are furious ad are willing to express it openly, under cover of anonymity. Danny has hurt may faithful souls by getting them fired from 3ABN and or fired from their next jobs by telling lies against them. Apparently Danny will stop at nothing to have his own way. He justifies all his own actions and ideas while calling himself a victim when truth is told about him.

Each one who posts on this or any other forum is an individual, with individual experiences with God. Some have been through the "valley of the shadow" and have survived. Some are still in the "valley", really hurting! We all know that Jesus died for every man, woman, and child. And we pray that God can reach those who have behaved so badly with children, with employees, and with God's holy funds. We have to be angry at what is happening but we must intercede for those who are blind to their own evil ways.

In this forum you will read that we do pray for Danny and his family that they will learn to trust God instead of "human inventions". AND we pray that God will have such a tool as the satellites to spread the "Good News".

Now we can see satellites being used without the "garbage" that surrounds its use. WE can see humble souls who are not trying to make their own families famous around the world.

The conversations will continue .. read the "PINNED" items at the top of "The SAGA of 3ABN" page. Read the "letters", the "The Evangelist", and you will see why so many are deeply concerned about the effect all this is having and will have upon Media Evangelism and its relationship to the General Conference of Seventh Day Adventists.

I hope we can keep in perspective the need to let some xepress their own hurts and for others to see the need for all of us to pray sincerely for the salvation of each soul everywhere, including those leading out at 3ABN.

Whether God continues to use 3ABN or not is beside the point. There other satellites program uplinks God can use. 3ABN is not indispensible.

There souls at 3ABN who are blind to themselves and they need Jesus in their lives as a personal Savior.

That's our job ... Pray, pray, pray ... for God's will to be done.

Thanx for the summary.
I am not new to bsda. Just haven't posted too much on the 3abn threads. I have done a fair amount of reading to have an idea of what is going on and as I said in my earlier posts I do understand the anguish and longing for wrongs to be made right.

My gripe is with the maliciousness appearances that peer through our posts. Some, even with comments that we ought to be ashamed of. 'Be angry and sin not', I believe that's what the good book says.

We need to be mindful that we are not the only ones who frequent this website; it leaves an impression on the minds of others of what we really are (which may very well be wrong).

In Christ

Nick.

[no_cults]

My point exactly!!!

I don't know Danny or Linda personally.

I have read both sides of the story here, with a strong lean towards Danny's guilt.

That strong lean have lead me to conclude that there may be some truth to the story, after some analysis.

But my three questions earlier, are a result of the non-christlike comments that over shadows almost every 3abn thread.

I understand that some of us have been personally affected by the events and I do understand the disgust that most of us sense toward Danny - professing to be a man of God;

but these are no reason for our comments here to reflect more of the devil than it does Christ.

Re-read your individual posts and ask yourself, wether it was God who prompted them or the dragon himself.

Am I saying that we should stick our head in the sand? Ofcourse not. I am simply saying that we may be no better than Danny.

In Christ.
Nick.

In case you didn't know -- None of us are "better" than Danny.

[Just a Guy]

Larry Welch? Is that the same Larry Welch that is on the Board of 3ABN? Works in the pastoral department? His wife, Linda, works in the accounting department? And at times she has been known to stand at her desk all day rather than sitting because of a "bad back"? I believe that Danny knows the real reason for her pain... And he still has Larry on the 3ABN board? Which commandment deals with wife beaters?

That is a really strong accusation you have made there. Unless Linda Welch herself has confided in you, anything you say is just conjecture and in extremely poor taste. It makes me question the truth of anything you have said.

[Clay]

as Calvin said earlier somewhere.... he has taken the most damaging shots and is still standing.... 3ABN is still rolling along... it will be interesting to see what happens now....

[sister]

That is a really strong accusation you have made there. Unless Linda Welch herself has confided in you, anything you say is just conjecture and in extremely poor taste. It makes me question the truth of anything you have said.

It is not conjecture...

[fallible humanbe...]

It is not conjecture...

Linda, sister

What proof do you have to offer that it is not conjecture? Again, as was pointed out a few posts ago, these are strong charges for which no one has offered anything resembling any kind of proof of fact.

- fhb

[sonshineonme]

Linda, sister

What proof do you have to offer that it is not conjecture? Again, as was pointed out a few posts ago, these are strong charges for which no one has offered anything resembling any kind of proof of fact.

- fhb

Linda???

[watchbird]

That is a really strong accusation you have made there. Unless Linda Welch herself has confided in you, anything you say is just conjecture and in extremely poor taste. It makes me question the truth of anything you have said.

It is not conjecture...

Linda, sister

What proof do you have to offer that it is not conjecture? Again, as was pointed out a few posts ago, these are strong charges for which no one has offered anything resembling any kind of proof of fact.

- fhb

Your statements do not make sense in the light of the dialogue which preceded your statement.

Just a Guy stated "Unless Linda Welch herself has confided in you anything you say is just conjecture."

When Sister responded as she did, I understood her to be stating that Linda W had confided in her. Now you are asking for "proof"? Are you then accusing Sister of lying as to what was "confided in her"? Or are you accusing Linda W as lying when she "confided in Sister"? Either one seems to me to be out of bounds in this venue.

And btw ... why did you address your note to "Linda, sister"? THAT makes no sense at all!

[watchbird]

as Calvin said earlier somewhere.... he has taken the most damaging shots and is still standing.... 3ABN is still rolling along... it will be interesting to see what happens now....

OTOH..... maybe the most damaging shots are still to come. Or possibly he will be "cut down without [human] hands"..... God has not yet exhausted all of his arsenal against evil-doers....

[fallible humanbe...]

Your statements do not make sense in the light of the dialogue which preceded your statement.

Just a Guy stated "Unless Linda Welch herself has confided in you anything you say is just conjecture."

When Sister responded as she did, I understood her to be stating that Linda W had confided in her. Now you are asking for "proof"? Are you then accusing Sister of lying as to what was "confided in her"? Or are you accusing Linda W as lying when she "confided in Sister"? Either one seems to me to be out of bounds in this venue.

And btw ... why did you address your note to "Linda, sister"? THAT makes no sense at all!

First, my "Linda" greeting was based on the fact I believe "sister" to be either Linda Shelton herself, or the mouthpiece for Linda Shelton. My belief after reading these threads for a few months and seeing consistencies in her syntax and colloquialisms that appeared during her years on 3ABN is that there are too much similarity to believe there isn't a very close and direct connnection between "sister" and Linda S. Simply my opinon don't bother trying to prove me wrong.

Secondly, the fact that "sister" says it "isn't" conjecture is proof of absolutely nothing - it is no more than a statement by a third party. Additionally, the fact that "sister" makes a statement doesn't mean that Linda W. confided in her - for you to jump to that conclusion isn't logical. Why would you assume that simply because "sister" says something, this means that Linda W. did actually confide in her? Unless, maybe Linda Shelton is "sister" in which case Linda W. might very well have had a chance to confide in her. So to continue in that vein, if Linda S. is "sister" and Linda W. did confide in her then you have something that really matters. But, none of this connects so as it stands the posts are all conjecture about any malicious behavior on Larry W. part. Which very well may be slanderous.

I didn't say any where that Linda W. lied because I don't believe Linda W. ever spoke with "sister." And, yes, I do not believe "sister" has been confided in by Linda W. - I have nothing to base such a belief on at this point.

However, I am sure you will claim that there is no connection between "sister" and Linda S, so we are back to this being conjecture and everyone having to take the word of "sister" that she speaks the truth.

- fhb

This post has been edited by fallible humanbeing: Oct 29 2006, 10:31 PM

[princessdi]

FHB, if I am not mistaken tyou got quite huffy wirh folks who said you were Danny or were his mouthpiece. I just know you are not trying to acuse somebody else of the same thing?

First, my "Linda" greeting was based on the fact I believe "sister" to be either Linda Shelton herself, or the mouthpiece for Linda Shelton. My belief after reading for a few months and seeing consistancies in her syntax and colloquialisms that appeared during her years on 3ABN. Simly my opinon don't bother trying to prove me wrong.

Secondly, the fact that "sister" says it isn't conjecture is proof of absolutely nothing - it is no more than a statement by a third party. Additionally, the fact that "sister" makes a statement doesn't mean that Linda W. confided in her - for you to jump to that conclusion isn't logical. Why would you assume that simply because "sister" says something this means that Linda W. did actually confide in her? Unless, maybe Linda Shelton is "sister" in which case Linda W. might very well have had a chance to confide in her. So to continue in that vein, if Linda S. is "sister" and Linda W. did confide in her then you have something that really matters. But, none of this connects so as it stands the posts are all conjecture about any malicious behavior on Larry W. part.

However, I am sure you will claim that there is no connection between "sister" and Linda S, so we are back to this being conjecture and everyone having to take the word of "sister" that she speaks the truth.

- fhb

[sonshineonme]

First, my "Linda" greeting was based on the fact I believe "sister" to be either Linda Shelton herself, or the mouthpiece for Linda Shelton. My belief after reading for a few months and seeing consistancies in her syntax and colloquialisms that appeared during her years on 3ABN. Simly my opinon don't bother trying to prove me wrong.

However, I am sure you will claim that there is no connection between "sister" and Linda S, so we are back to this being conjecture and everyone having to take the word of "sister" that she speaks the truth.

- fhb

I will assume that you won't believe me, but as for Linda S = Sister, you could not be more wrong. Of course, Danny believes they are one in the same, but he is also DEAD WRONG. The only connection between them, because like many people who have been part of 3abn thru the years, is that sister know's both Linda and Danny. That is the only connection.

[fallible humanbe...]

FHB, if I am not mistaken tyou got quite huffy wirh folks who said you were Danny or were his mouthpiece. I just know you are not trying to acuse somebody else of the same thing?

Oh so true PD. I won't argue that there was a little smoke from my ear (I hope it is obvious I have calmed down since), but that was after one post. I have arrived at my thought - be it correct or incorrect - after reading MANY postings by "sister" and taking them en masse before making a decision on this. I think had those who rushed to judgement with me waited they would have seen much difference in my words from Danny, not to mention syntax, colloquialism, and structure - and though realizing that I do not pitch my tent in the Linda S. camp I am not Danny nor someone in his or 3ABN's employ.

- fhb

This post has been edited by fallible humanbeing: Oct 29 2006, 10:41 PM

[princessdi]

Naw, many posts later, I still think you are Danny's mouthpiece, but I "respected" your denials and let time tell.

Oh so true PD. I won't argue that there was a little smoke from my ear (I hope it is obvious I have calmed down since), but that was after one post. I have arrived at my thought - be it correct or incorrect - after reading MANY postings by "sister" and taking them en masse before making a decision on this. I think had those who rushed to judgement with me waited they would have seen much difference in my words from Danny, not to mention syntax, colloquialism, and structure - and though realizing that I do not pitch my tent in the Linda S. camp I am not Danny nor someone in his or 3ABN's employ.

- fhb

[fallible humanbe...]

Naw, many posts later, I still think you are Danny's mouthpiece, but I "respected" your denials and let time tell.

Then as wrong as I may be about sister, you are the same about me . . . thus we are equals. Oh yes, I show no disrespect - I simply exercise my right to make a determination as you have about me. BTW, it was the first reply to me that called me Danny and I followed with my denial.

But all this is nothing in terms of what matters - the outright accusation that an individual has committed assult agaianst his wife - with no substantiating proof, or proof of any kind at this point.

- fhb