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[Noahswife]

I'm quite sure it suits your purpose to try and make the readers here see all the people you disagree with, as you portray them, simply being blindly loyal and defending someone in a biased manner, but it's simply not true.

So Aletheia, please tell me the purpose of your post to HollybyGolly I have linked:

http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?s...st&p=184067

As, IMO, your personal attack of PB was "simply not true".

nw
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This post has been edited by Noahswife: Mar 9 2007, 12:30 PM

[awesumtenor]

This is what I'm afraid of, for Linda. Given enough time and the right software, a determined person with a computer can make anything. Even "proof."

So whatever your people have got had better be pretty good.

If they doctor images, the software that does the editing leaves a digital footprint; one needs to know how to view it... but whether an image is authentic or doctored is easily determined...

In His service,
Mr. J

[Pickle]

According to a new letter posted at http://www.save3abn.com/danny-shelton-demi...t-the-house.htm, by May 16, 2004 Danny was talking about buying Linda's half of the house, and Linda thinks he was doing that already in April.

When did Danny give up trying to make things work, and decided instead that they were definitely going to split up?

[Jvat]

What saddens me about all of this and it comes out clearly thru the letters, is that Danny really seemed to be unconcerned about the plight of Nathan. The least that he could have done was appear to be interested in the young man's recovery. All I see in the letters from both Walt and Danny are just issues of control and jumping to judgement. So pathetic. Surely does not reflect too well on either of them. There is no way that he has shown categorically that his wife was not actually involved in discussing issues about her son with the doctor. All I see are accusations that in fact inappropriate talks were taking place, with no apparent proof! What a shame!

[Pickle]

And it looks like from http://www.save3abn.com/danny-shelton-demi...-of-what-02.htm that Danny acknowledges that Linda was innocent at least through the end of March 2004, even when she was planning the alleged vacation to Florida in February with Brenda Walsh.

That web page also refers to another email of September 8, 2004. Wonder when that one will be online?

[daylily]

If Danny actually did write those two latest emails just posted today, Mar 11, he has got be nuts! That has to be the most infantile writing I have EVER seen from a supposed adult and a Christian one at that.

[Johann]

What saddens me about all of this and it comes out clearly thru the letters, is that Danny really seemed to be unconcerned about the plight of Nathan. The least that he could have done was appear to be interested in the young man's recovery. All I see in the letters from both Walt and Danny are just issues of control and jumping to judgement. So pathetic. Surely does not reflect too well on either of them. There is no way that he has shown categorically that his wife was not actually involved in discussing issues about her son with the doctor. All I see are accusations that in fact inappropriate talks were taking place, with no apparent proof! What a shame!

We must understand how essential it is to diminish the references to Nathan for Danny's camp. Strangely, but it seems like they think that if they do not manage to obscure his involvement they will have a greater problem convincing the world that Linda was all wrong.

[Ralph]

We must understand how essential it is to diminish the references to Nathan for Danny's camp. Strangely, but it seems like they think that if they do not manage to obscure his involvement they will have a greater problem convincing the world that Linda was all wrong.

I have noted that when some member in a family has a drug problem, everyone is affected. Mom, Dad and any relatives can't think of anything else. It is so disturbing that nothing else matters. And a person thinking romantically about a doctor when her son is on drugs?? Forget that! If Danny wasn't caring, that is a very dysfunctional home.

[Johann]

I have noted that when some member in a family has a drug problem, everyone is affected. Mom, Dad and any relatives can't think of anything else. It is so disturbing that nothing else matters. And a person thinking romantically about a doctor when her son is on drugs?? Forget that! If Danny wasn't caring, that is a very dysfunctional home.

And I noticed this lack of care from Danny's side clearly already three months before Dr. Arild Abrahamsen arrived at 3ABN. Like both pastor John Lomacang and Dr. Walt Thompson said very early, was that Dr. Abrahamsen arrived so conveniently for Danny to make him his scapegoat to get rid of Linda. Both of these men have probably conveniently forgotten now that they ever said such a thing. But neither I nor Arild Abrahamsen have forgotten their words.

If Danny actually did write those two latest emails just posted today, Mar 11, he has got be nuts! That has to be the most infantile writing I have EVER seen from a supposed adult and a Christian one at that.

Unfortunately for him, you are not the only one who thinks so. As I have said, Danny Shelton is Danny Shelton's worst enemy.


This post has been edited by Johann: Mar 12 2007, 04:12 AM

[Observer]

I have noted that when some member in a family has a drug problem, everyone is affected. Mom, Dad and any relatives can't think of anything else. It is so disturbing that nothing else matters. And a person thinking romantically about a doctor when her son is on drugs?? Forget that! If Danny wasn't caring, that is a very dysfunctional home.

As one who has taken some professional training in treating people with substance abuse (No, I am not an expert in that field.) I can tell you that such treatment is most effective when all close family members are involved in the treatment program. It is a major hinderance to that treatment for a (step)parent to not be involved. Such will place a significant additional burden on the other (step)parent who is cooperating with the treatment program.

[PeacefulBe]

I have a question about the email and letter Walt Thompson sent to Linda on May 4, 2004, the full text of which can be seen by the link below.

http://www.save3abn.com/danny-shelton-demi...y-ultimatum.htm

I have just re-read all of the posts made on this thread since the posting of the May 4th ultimatum to Linda over on save3abn.com. Aside from Aletheia's post #80 on page 6, http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?s...st&p=183814 , where she says:

Linda didn't reply according to WT, nor did she do anything asked, do you think, maybe, that gave them a clue, to proceed and take it to the full board?

I haven't found anywhere else in this thread where it is stated whether or not the 30-day leave of absence was granted to Linda.

There has been lots of discussion here and verification by both sides that she went to the counselling in Kansas with Danny. Was this as as a result of the ultimatum? Panama_Pete brought up that the employees were told to erase all traces of Linda from 3abn during that 30-day period while Linda was to be reflecting and hopefully changing her course so that her marriage and position could be restored.

Bystander, wwjd, Lee, since you have access to Danny who was actually there during this period and would, therefore, be a first-hand witness, could you please find out for me if Linda's 30-day leave of absence was granted?

Thank you,

PB

This post has been edited by PeacefullyBewildered: Mar 12 2007, 07:39 AM

[watchbird]

I have a question about the email and letter Walt Thompson sent to Linda on May 4, 2004, the full text of which can be seen by the link below.

http://www.save3abn.com/danny-shelton-demi...y-ultimatum.htm

I have just re-read all of the posts made on this thread since the posting of the May 4th ultimatum to Linda over on save3abn.com. Aside from Aletheia's post #80 on page 6, http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?s...st&p=183814 , where she says:
I haven't found anywhere else in this thread where it is stated whether or not the 30-day leave of absence was granted to Linda.

There has been lots of discussion here and verification by both sides that she went to the counselling in Kansas with Danny. Was this as as a result of the ultimatum? Panama_Pete brought up that the employees were told to erase all traces of Linda from 3abn during that 30-day period while Linda was to be reflecting and hopefully changing her course so that her marriage and position could be restored.

Bystander, wwjd, Lee, since you have access to Danny who was actually there during this period and would, therefore, be a first-hand witness, could you please find out for me if Linda's 30-day leave of absence was granted?

Thank you,

PB

It seems self-evident that the 30 day leave of absence with its implied possibility of meaning that Linda could be restored to 3abn did not happen. From clues in other emails however, it is quite likely that there in actuality was no implied posibility of her returning to 3abn... and by this time Danny was telling her verbally that he wanted her to leave him as well. And yes, I know that is opposite to what he was saying to others at the time.... but he was not consistent in his emails to various people an this matter... sometimes contradicting himself in the same email.... or in an email sent a few hours after another.

But primarily I want to comment here on the sentence and question that I bolded above. The counseling session in Kansas was one in which both Danny and Linda were present. If you will read the letter from Walt Thompson carefully you will note that he specified the specific counselor to which Linda was to go for these 30 days, Ron and Nancy Rocky, and this was to be a "live in" relationship, not merely a series of counseling sessions. 30 days incommunicado with anyone other than the Rocky's and her "immediate family". One has to wonder what would have happened to Linda had she chosen to accept this offer.

One also has to wonder what the Rocky's knew before they agreed to "open their home to her". They are, after all, reputable counselors who give seminars in Adventist churches. It would, I would think, be of interest to know exactly what they were told and what plans they had for that 30 day period.

Notice also that she was free to choose another counselor only if they approved of her choice.

Notice also the life-time comment in one part of the ultimatum.

And do understand that besides the ultimatums that appear in this letter, there were others that were conveyed elsewhere. Read this one carefully and do not neglect reading "between the lines". Perhaps someone will share some of the other requirements that accompanied this.

As for Aletheia's comment.... notice the part that she omitted when she quoted from Thompson's letter.... including promises that he did not keep.

[PeacefulBe]

It seems self-evident that the 30 day leave of absence with its implied possibility of meaning that Linda could be restored to 3abn did not happen. From clues in other emails however, it is quite likely that there in actuality was no implied posibility of her returning to 3abn... and by this time Danny was telling her verbally that he wanted her to leave him as well. And yes, I know that is opposite to what he was saying to others at the time.... but he was not consistent in his emails to various people an this matter... sometimes contradicting himself in the same email.... or in an email sent a few hours after another.

But primarily I want to comment here on the sentence and question that I bolded above. The counseling session in Kansas was one in which both Danny and Linda were present. If you will read the letter from Walt Thompson carefully you will note that he specified the specific counselor to which Linda was to go for these 30 days, Ron and Nancy Rocky, and this was to be a "live in" relationship, not merely a series of counseling sessions. 30 days incommunicado with anyone other than the Rocky's and her "immediate family". One has to wonder what would have happened to Linda had she chosen to accept this offer.

One also has to wonder what the Rocky's knew before they agreed to "open their home to her". They are, after all, reputable counselors who give seminars in Adventist churches. It would, I would think, be of interest to know exactly what they were told and what plans they had for that 30 day period.

Notice also that she was free to choose another counselor only if they approved of her choice.

Notice also the life-time comment in one part of the ultimatum.

And do understand that besides the ultimatums that appear in this letter, there were others that were conveyed elsewhere. Read this one carefully and do not neglect reading "between the lines". Perhaps someone will share some of the other requirements that accompanied this.

As for Aletheia's comment.... notice the part that she omitted when she quoted from Thompson's letter.... including promises that he did not keep.

WB,
Thanks for your clarification about Ron and Nancy Rocky.

Does anyone know when the counselling session in Kansas took place? Was it April, May, or?

Bystander, wwjd, Lee,

Can you add any information about the counselling session in Kansas? Glenetta said there were receipts for this time (her comments were posted by Aletheia). Also, I still would like to know if Linda's 30-day leave of absence was granted. It seems to me, from all I have read, that she was not in the 3abn area during this time.

PB

[watchbird]

It seems self-evident that the 30 day leave of absence with its implied possibility of meaning that Linda could be restored to 3abn did not happen. From clues in other emails however, it is quite likely that there in actuality was no implied posibility of her returning to 3abn... and by this time Danny was telling her verbally that he wanted her to leave him as well. And yes, I know that is opposite to what he was saying to others at the time.... but he was not consistent in his emails to various people an this matter... sometimes contradicting himself in the same email.... or in an email sent a few hours after another.

But primarily I want to comment here on the sentence and question that I bolded above. The counseling session in Kansas was one in which both Danny and Linda were present. If you will read the letter from Walt Thompson carefully you will note that he specified the specific counselor to which Linda was to go for these 30 days, Ron and Nancy Rocky, and this was to be a "live in" relationship, not merely a series of counseling sessions. 30 days incommunicado with anyone other than the Rocky's and her "immediate family". One has to wonder what would have happened to Linda had she chosen to accept this offer.

One also has to wonder what the Rocky's knew before they agreed to "open their home to her". They are, after all, reputable counselors who give seminars in Adventist churches. It would, I would think, be of interest to know exactly what they were told and what plans they had for that 30 day period.

Notice also that she was free to choose another counselor only if they approved of her choice.

Notice also the life-time comment in one part of the ultimatum.

And do understand that besides the ultimatums that appear in this letter, there were others that were conveyed elsewhere. Read this one carefully and do not neglect reading "between the lines". Perhaps someone will share some of the other requirements that accompanied this.

As for Aletheia's comment.... notice the part that she omitted when she quoted from Thompson's letter.... including promises that he did not keep.

Correction to the above. It is Ron and Nancy Rockey, who are the counselors of which I spoke above. I am assuming that they are the same as the ones mentioned in Walt Thompson's letter, and that he only mispelled their names. But of course I cannot prove that.

I can, however, give the website for Ron and Nancy Rockey's ministry.... Your Life Renewal Institute .... in case anyone wants to check them out.

btw.... Their ministry was formerly called "It's Fixable", and the website was http://www.itsfixable.com/. That url still works but goes to their new ministry page given above.

[Pickle]

Since the Rockeys are in Pennsylvania, right?, they wouldn't be the ones in Kansas.

PB,

Danny and Linda were flying back from seeing the Nazarene counselors on April 15, based on an email from Danny.