Letter From Mike Bisson Options

[Clay]

Di,
Danny expected that Linda be available at his beck and call... she was to be submissive to her man... you know how those controlling men can be... it doesn't matter where he was, she was suppose to be waiting for him, or drop everything in a moments notice to cater to the whims of her man.... just one level above barefoot and pregnant..... likewise that's what the dannyclones feel Linda should have done..... all of them chauvinistic and controlling.... and the female dannyclones have likewise bought into that mindset.....

so don't expect any meaningful dialog to come from that issue of where was Danny when Linda allegedly was on the phone, it doesn't matter.... Danny the annointed one, the heir to all that is good and righteous was to be served.....

[caribbean sda]

In my opinion, 3abn made 1 mistake. They waited too long to say anything and too long to show why they came to the decisions they came to. If the truth had been shown sooner, I'm sure you and I wouldn't be here right now.

...but you ARE here...and this whole saga is a joke, a sad, sad joke...I have come to the conclusion that the friends of ramblin' Dan will never convince the Linda supporters that Danny Shelton is the paragon of virtue and upright living and the Linda Defenders will never convince the Friends of Danny that she remained faithful to her husband, spiritual adultery accusation notwithstanding...so the sooner all of y'all agree to disagree and recognize that the truth, whatever it is, lies hidden deep somewhere in all this mess...yes...MESS...you all are just spinning your wheels...

[SoulEspresso]

And when will you realize soul that it is ludicrous that you refer to upstanding leaders, business men and women of our denomination as Lackeys. Do you really think that about Ellsworth McKee, Kenneth Denslow, Merlin F, Carmalita Troy etc are not smart enough to think for themselves or "brave" enough to disagree with something if they don't like it? You know thats not realistic. As I have mentioned before, if you are going to refer to the board that way, then you would also have to refer to ASI, as well as numerous other organizations that support 3abn and the leadership there. It goes against reason that everybody that loves and supports 3abn is a fool or a lackey. There are too many highly intelligent, business minded individuals on that list. Garwin McNeilus is a perfect example. If ever a man knew how things should be run, it would be him. He has all kinds of knowledge of how 3abn is run and the decisions that have been made by leadership. His actions speak for his opinion. These are people that know the intricate workings of the ministry and support it. But, you think, you have more facts and knowledge than they do? No matter how hard you or others try, you cannot dispute the facts of these people and the "inside" information that they know or have dealt with personally. It actually takes a lot of audacity to act like that the little group here knows the facts and these pastors, leaders, business people, conference people, don't. They have privy to things the general public will never know. Their conclusions? They continue to support 3abn and its leadership.

Okay, I'll refer to some (not all, because I don't think they all agreed) of the ASI leadership, and the other organizations that support 3ABN, as lackeys.

Rich-and-powerful name-dropping means nothing to me. One's income level does not determine whether or not one is a sinner.

Actually, having grown up watching church work rather up close, the richer and more business-savvy a person is, the less likely I am to trust them. I would remind you of James 2:1-7.

Of course I know who these people are. One of the board members is a family friend who is stuck, and, I gathered, doesn't know what to do. That may be the case for all of them, yes, I'll say it: sheer lack of courage.

Or it may be an unwillingness to pursue something that would damage the church. After all, the Adventist church for decades has swept all allegations of sex abuse under the rug--bad publicity, ya know? Gradually, the leaders of the actual denomination are learning that it's better to be plain and open than to hide, but 3ABN isn't exactly the most progressive element of Adventism.

Or it may be corruption. Or blackmail. I mention these last because I hope they're not true. But "power corrupts," and 3ABN is one of, if not the most powerful organization connected with the Adventist church.

This post has been edited by SoulEspresso: Mar 6 2007, 09:02 AM

[Johann]

And when will you realize soul that it is ludicrous that you refer to upstanding leaders, business men and women of our denomination as Lackeys. Do you really think that about Ellsworth McKee, Kenneth Denslow, Merlin F, Carmalita Troy etc are not smart enough to think for themselves or "brave" enough to disagree with something if they don't like it? You know thats not realistic.
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Since you mention Miss Troy, then you had better tell us why Danny Shelton was not honest enough to honor the agreement he made with her parents? Why did he build tall Owen Troy a pigmy-size house to fit his own minute stature so that Elder Troy had to double up underneath the ceiling? Aren't the Shelton brothers carpenters enough to follow blueprints, or are they never used in that part of Southern Illinois?

[erik]

bystander,

i believe this is your qoute?

and looked at the mobile home she had just purchased, you would be ok with that? If your wife was in a hotel room with said person claiming she was getting diagnosed and treated for a Yeast infection, that wouldn't bother you?


A yeast infection, in a woman of linda's age is not the first one. Most likely the "treatment" might have been as simple has hey doc what is the best natural treatment for a yeast infection, instead of going and spending 25.00 at the local drug store, you are strongly hinting that something much more was going on and that is not supported by the facts, NOW if the PI's that danny had working for him, made some recordings of the doc and linda treatments that tell a different story then by all means post transcript of what was said, along with time and date.


erik

[PeacefulBe]

Chez,

If only Danny and his supporters would realize that what you have described is the experience of many others who have not even chosen a side to support, perhaps they would get real in working to resolve this sad situation.

I know there must be some secret shame in both of Nathan's parents for getting so involved with the business of running 3abn that the children probably didn't get the care and attention they needed. I know this is a hard statement to make, but I'm quite sure that building and maintaining 3abn took a lot of Danny and Linda's energy. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if it also took a toll on the time they needed to stay focused on their marriage.

[PeacefulBe]

Okay, I'll refer to some (not all, because I don't think they all agreed) of the ASI leadership, and the other organizations that support 3ABN, as lackeys.

Rich-and-powerful name-dropping means nothing to me. One's income level does not determine whether or not one is a sinner.
Actually, having grown up watching church work rather up close, the richer and more business-savvy a person is, the less likely I am to trust them. I would remind you of James 2:1-7.

Of course I know who these people are. One of the board members is a family friend who is stuck, and, I gathered, doesn't know what to do. That may be the case for all of them, yes, I'll say it: sheer lack of courage.

Or it may be an unwillingness to pursue something that would damage the church. After all, the Adventist church for decades has swept all allegations of sex abuse under the rug--bad publicity, ya know? Gradually, the leaders of the actual denomination are learning that it's better to be plain and open than to hide, but 3ABN isn't exactly the most progressive element of Adventism.

Or it may be corruption. Or blackmail. I mention these last because I hope they're not true. But "power corrupts," and 3ABN is one of, if not the most powerful organization connected with the Adventist church.

SE,

Thank you so much for bringing this up. While sometimes a person is blessed with good fortune and position when in a close walk with God it does not necessarily mean that all who are so blessed can be viewed as trustworthy in character. Name-dropping misses the mark when attempting to build a case for credibility.

I hope that those board members who are "stuck" will one day have the courage to stand up for truth and principle regardless of the fallout.

PB

This post has been edited by PeacefullyBewildered: Mar 6 2007, 12:53 PM

[princessdi]

Oh, I see so the fact that she was on the phone when he beckoned at all was "too much". Well, he wasn't beckoning too much, cuz according to him she had plenty of time to chat on the phone, etc. Poor thing! BTW, where is Brandi?

Di,
Danny expected that Linda be available at his beck and call... she was to be submissive to her man... you know how those controlling men can be... it doesn't matter where he was, she was suppose to be waiting for him, or drop everything in a moments notice to cater to the whims of her man.... just one level above barefoot and pregnant..... likewise that's what the dannyclones feel Linda should have done..... all of them chauvinistic and controlling.... and the female dannyclones have likewise bought into that mindset.....

so don't expect any meaningful dialog to come from that issue of where was Danny when Linda allegedly was on the phone, it doesn't matter.... Danny the annointed one, the heir to all that is good and righteous was to be served.....

I am sure you also realize that there are those who have been "promoted" to such positions for their backbone, and even moreso those who have been chosen for promotion for the lack thereof................

And when will you realize soul that it is ludicrous that you refer to upstanding leaders, business men and women of our denomination as Lackeys. Do you really think that about Ellsworth McKee, Kenneth Denslow, Merlin F, Carmalita Troy etc are not smart enough to think for themselves or "brave" enough to disagree with something if they don't like it? You know thats not realistic...................

[Noahswife]

Di,
Danny expected that Linda be available at his beck and call... she was to be submissive to her man... you know how those controlling men can be... it doesn't matter where he was, she was suppose to be waiting for him, or drop everything in a moments notice to cater to the whims of her man.... just one level above barefoot and pregnant..... likewise that's what the dannyclones feel Linda should have done..... all of them chauvinistic and controlling.... and the female dannyclones have likewise bought into that mindset.....

so don't expect any meaningful dialog to come from that issue of where was Danny when Linda allegedly was on the phone, it doesn't matter.... Danny the annointed one, the heir to all that is good and righteous was to be served.....

“Where love rules, there is no will to power; and where power predominates, there love is lacking. The one is the shadow of the other.”

Carl Gustav Jung

This post has been edited by Noahswife: Mar 6 2007, 01:49 PM

[Lee]

It is obvious that all of you are making "shots in the dark" because you don't know what you are talking about. You feel so free to make judgments based on heresay.

Danny is not chauvanistic and neither is Bystander or Greg. You don't know them Clay, so how can you judge? You are just spouting to the wind.

To use the term "lackeys" is disrespectful and unChristlike.

PB: how do you know Nathan didn't get the attention he needed from his parents? I'm a grandmother like you are--surely you are smarter than that!

Now you say some board members are "stuck" in their position. That is not truthful PERIOD!

It would be better to keep quiet than to spout off and show foolishness as I am reading in this thread.

[caribbean sda]

It is obvious that all of you are making "shots in the dark" because you don't know what you are talking about. You feel so free to make judgments based on heresay.

Danny is not chauvanistic and neither is Bystander or Greg. You don't know them Clay, so how can you judge? You are just spouting to the wind.

To use the term "lackeys" is disrespectful and unChristlike.

PB: how do you know Nathan didn't get the attention he needed from his parents? I'm a grandmother like you are--surely you are smarter than that!

Now you say some board members are "stuck" in their position. That is not truthful PERIOD!

It would be better to keep quiet than to spout off and show foolishness as I am reading in this thread.

this one rates 4 violins

[Clay]

It is obvious that all of you are making "shots in the dark" because you don't know what you are talking about. You feel so free to make judgments based on heresay.

Danny is not chauvanistic and neither is Bystander or Greg. You don't know them Clay, so how can you judge? You are just spouting to the wind.

To use the term "lackeys" is disrespectful and unChristlike.

PB: how do you know Nathan didn't get the attention he needed from his parents? I'm a grandmother like you are--surely you are smarter than that!

Now you say some board members are "stuck" in their position. That is not truthful PERIOD!

It would be better to keep quiet than to spout off and show foolishness as I am reading in this thread.

not judging just making an observation...... and why not take your own advice..... i.e. keep quiet rather than spouting off?

[from-the-pew]

Danny is not chauvanistic and neither is Bystander or Greg. You don't know them Clay, so how can you judge? You are just spouting to the wind.

Whoa... rewind... who is Greg?

(Context would not be consistent with Gregory Matthews aka Observer)

This post has been edited by from-the-pew: Mar 6 2007, 02:22 PM

[PeacefulBe]

PB: how do you know Nathan didn't get the attention he needed from his parents? I'm a grandmother like you are--surely you are smarter than that!

I read Mending Broken People. I don't know for sure that the children didn't get all the attention they needed as they grew, but by the descriptions in the book both co-founders put a lot of their time into raising 3abn so it stands to reason that there may have not been enough of Danny and Linda to sufficiently go around.

My husband and I built and briefly ran a business and found there was precious little time for our own small children. I know about the shame I mentioned from personal experience.

Now you say some board members are "stuck" in their position. That is not truthful PERIOD!

And you know this, how? Soul Espresso knows at least some of them and knows about at least one who is "stuck". Read his post. First-hand testimony from him.

It would be better to keep quiet than to spout off and show foolishness as I am reading in this thread.

I agree, Lee. Good advice and I hope you take it.

PB

[princessdi]

You got that right! Greg=wwjd?

BTW, Welcome to BSDA! I se eyou understand our motto quite well........"This is not Sabbath School, we pay attention"

Whoa... rewind... who is Greg?

(Context would not be consistent with Gregory Matthews aka Observer)